MERGED - "About Edition Wars" threads x9
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El Mahdi
Muad'Dib of the Anauroch
For the love of ENWorld, JUST STOP!
There’s been a significant increase in Edition Warring lately with a good amount of threads having been closed because of it. Along with the Warring, there has been a large amount of threads about wanting the Edition Wars to end. Despite the anti-Edition War threads, the pleas of fellow ENWorlders, and the admirable efforts of the Mods to stop this behavior, it seems to actually be growing rather than diminishing. There’s a small minority here at ENWorld that just seem dead set on ignoring the rules, causing trouble – and ultimately threatening the quality of ENWorld.
To that minority I say:
The most recent example:
This post was dropped into a thread about team oriented play vs. individual oriented play, and how the OP felt individual oriented play seemed more prevalent with today’s gamers than it was in the past. A small but interesting discussion had grown around it (along with a few completely off-topic but otherwise non-instigating jokes thrown in). But, up until the above post; nobody in the thread (including the OP) had made the thread about editions. Posts like this are exactly what perpetuate the Edition Wars, and end up ruining perfectly good threads.
That post could have just as easily been worded like this…
Please, ENWorlders...please...
If you can’t say something nice, respectful, constructive, funny, or otherwise non-derogatory or non-instigating – then please, just don’t post!
If you can’t talk about how cool your game, edition, rules, campaign, or group is – without having to denigrate its’ opposite in order to make your point – then please, just don’t post!
If you can’t make a post appropriate to the OP and the thread (or at least humorous) – then please, just don’t post!
...and for the love of ENWorld, just stop...
There’s been a significant increase in Edition Warring lately with a good amount of threads having been closed because of it. Along with the Warring, there has been a large amount of threads about wanting the Edition Wars to end. Despite the anti-Edition War threads, the pleas of fellow ENWorlders, and the admirable efforts of the Mods to stop this behavior, it seems to actually be growing rather than diminishing. There’s a small minority here at ENWorld that just seem dead set on ignoring the rules, causing trouble – and ultimately threatening the quality of ENWorld.
To that minority I say:
For the love of ENWorld, JUST STOP!
The most recent example:
This post was dropped into a thread about team oriented play vs. individual oriented play, and how the OP felt individual oriented play seemed more prevalent with today’s gamers than it was in the past. A small but interesting discussion had grown around it (along with a few completely off-topic but otherwise non-instigating jokes thrown in). But, up until the above post; nobody in the thread (including the OP) had made the thread about editions. Posts like this are exactly what perpetuate the Edition Wars, and end up ruining perfectly good threads.
That post could have just as easily been worded like this…
…and made practically the exact same point while being constructive, non-instigating, on-topic, and adding to the conversation.
Please, ENWorlders...please...
If you can’t say something nice, respectful, constructive, funny, or otherwise non-derogatory or non-instigating – then please, just don’t post!
If you can’t talk about how cool your game, edition, rules, campaign, or group is – without having to denigrate its’ opposite in order to make your point – then please, just don’t post!
If you can’t make a post appropriate to the OP and the thread (or at least humorous) – then please, just don’t post!
...and for the love of ENWorld, just stop...
You should stop it. You're just making more troll bait.
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The post El Mahdi quotes above was mine. He also sent me a long and unpleasant PM. Apparently my not replying to his PM has prompted him to take it further.
I don't see anything wrong with my post, which was merely disagreeing with the OP in that threads' claim that modern players were less team-oriented - IME 4e is more team-oriented than prior editions, and players play it that way. I was not saying that 4e is better or worse than any other edition (FWIW I DM 4e, 3e, and 1e). AFAICS the problem is entirely in the mind of El Mahdi.
I don't see anything wrong with my post, which was merely disagreeing with the OP in that threads' claim that modern players were less team-oriented - IME 4e is more team-oriented than prior editions, and players play it that way. I was not saying that 4e is better or worse than any other edition (FWIW I DM 4e, 3e, and 1e). AFAICS the problem is entirely in the mind of El Mahdi.
When I get a few moments, I'm going to merge the dozens of "about the edition wars" threads and move the combined thread to Meta. We don't need so many of them, folks. We know that edition warring is annoying, but the best way to handle it is to report posts rather than start the 400th thread about the edition wars. 
Dice4Hire
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I would alike to ask everyone who posts about editions to look back and see if your mentioning hte actual edition you like/play/whatever actually adds to the discussion. If it does not, leave that little tidbit of information out.
I have seen a lot of unnecessary mentioning of editions in these war threads.
I have seen a lot of unnecessary mentioning of editions in these war threads.
Well, the problem with this approach is that the all the games labeled "Dungeons and Dragons" can have such large differences between them that comparing experiences is kind of tough without mentioning the context.
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