Midnight - the dead

[Banshee16]

Since you are asking this i take you do not have the 2nd edition, among the new material in the book they present the idea that alls ouls come and return to the world, they are part of the eternal, which is both a mass of spirits and the spirit of the world.

I do have Midnight 2E...however, I haven't read through it from cover to cover. I would have asked on the AtS site, as I've had an account there for years (Sliebhein Llyrandor), but since they moved the site, I've had trouble getting my account working again, so I haven't really bothered.

I was taking a look at the Channeler spell list PDF, and the point about reincarnate is valid. I still think that it would be awful tempting to bring back as many champions as one could. Whether they end up as bears, wolverines, elves, dwarves, or humans, they could still be useful..

Banshee

 

[Nightfall]

Question is would any of them be all that useful as say dire hawks?

 

[Angel Tarragon]

Question is would any of them be all that useful as say dire hawks?

Perhaps dire eagles? :\

 

[Nifelhein]

Nif,

At least you made it to the party.

Good to see you Nightfall! Well, December is a really slow month on AtS, has always been, jst that i am always there myself.

I do have Midnight 2E...however, I haven't read through it from cover to cover. I would have asked on the AtS site, as I've had an account there for years (Sliebhein Llyrandor), but since they moved the site, I've had trouble getting my account working again, so I haven't really bothered.

I was taking a look at the Channeler spell list PDF, and the point about reincarnate is valid. I still think that it would be awful tempting to bring back as many champions as one could. Whether they end up as bears, wolverines, elves, dwarves, or humans, they could still be useful..

Banshee

Well, I reccmond you to read the chapter of the shadow aand its servant, since it has plenty of new material and the one at the end where they touch each creature type, specially the outsiders and elementals and whenever you can fidn the trapped spirit and eternal descriptions, with that you have the most important updates from 2nd edition with you.

On your account, the site moved and we could not take all accounts with us, so your problem witht he accoutn is that you have to register again, your old name is available anyway, you will have to activate account but if you find any trouble in that bit just let me know and i will sort it out to you.

Question is would any of them be all that useful as say dire hawks?

Well, the list takes dire animals out of the reach of the players, sicne they are soo much more useful than common animals, but I think it could be a good possibility in case the character is of high enough level, specially because he woudlr etain his mental and get the new physical atributes of the form...

I believe the new reincarnate does not make the idea invalid, btw, Banshee, instead it makes it even more interesting, having animals that go against the shadow is not something I would not see as possible, the thing is, elves have probably been added to the whisper already, plus you would have to sort this bit out:

Material Component: Rare oils and unguents worth a total of least 1,000 gp, spread over the remains.

I would say one could not be reincarnated after a time where he wouldn't live naturally myself, but I am all in favor of old heroes being dead and new heroes being needed.

 

[Nightfall]

Cool! Thanks for those insights Nif. *is semi-glad dire animals are open for such things* But I still wonder if they would want to come back as such animals.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

Why would you want to come back to a world full of misery and suffering?

It's not as if they were gone from that world. I think not having a body (or having a body, which is dead and decaying) is even worse than living in that world.

Remember that in Midnight, you don't go to heaven when you die. Or to hell, or anywhere. Not even the depated's souls can cross the Veil. So you can as well go back and live again. It sure beats being driven mad.

 

[Nightfall]

Well not like the living have much to enjoy either thought Kaeyoss.

 

[Nifelhein]

The thing is you do not know that you will become an animal, but that you will return in some other body, not your own, at least that is how I handle this. And Kae'Yoss, not going to some other plane does not mean becoming mad or soemthing like that, first most of humans know no other life, second the dwarves and elves could not see anything better than to die twice to save their own kind, and third anyone being cast reincarnate upon is surely not one of those living life with only suffering and without hope under the shadow.

 

[Banshee16]

It's not as if they were gone from that world. I think not having a body (or having a body, which is dead and decaying) is even worse than living in that world.

Remember that in Midnight, you don't go to heaven when you die. Or to hell, or anywhere. Not even the depated's souls can cross the Veil. So you can as well go back and live again. It sure beats being driven mad.

Exactly! They're not exactly going to their reward. They're busy swirling around the planet, prevented from going anywhere, gradually losing their minds, and watching in frustration as the world dies. I'd think many heroes would leap at the chance to have, well...one more chance to try and set right what has gone wrong.

As to the other post regarding valuable herbs etc......keep in mind that in a barter-based survival economy, those herbs may have far less value than they do in a regular one. Afterall, you can't eat them, and they won't keep you warm, so how useful are they? I'd think that given they are herbs, the elves are probably all over the idea of growing as many of them as possible.

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

The thing is you do not know that you will become an animal, but that you will return in some other body, not your own, at least that is how I handle this. And Kae'Yoss, not going to some other plane does not mean becoming mad or soemthing like that, first most of humans know no other life, second the dwarves and elves could not see anything better than to die twice to save their own kind, and third anyone being cast reincarnate upon is surely not one of those living life with only suffering and without hope under the shadow.

That's what I'm getting at. I'm not talking about reincarnating commoners....I'm talking about using the spell on those lvl 15 champions who finally fell in combat against the shadow's forces. It takes a lot of time and effort to train an insurgent, and get them alive, to lvl 15.......probably *more* than it would cost to bring back that lvl 15 champion once he died. And the impact that a lvl 15 character could have in the insurgency would be huge...

Banshee