Miss Chance on a confirmation roll?

[iwatt]

Basically the above. If you score a critical threat and pass the appropriate miss chance, does the confirmation roll require another miss chance roll?

 

[mikebr99]

Nope... you've already hit him. You are just confirming how hard.


Mike

 

[billd91]

That's right. You only need to determine if the hit is negated once. I just prefer to do it AFTER the confirmation roll so I can watch the look on the player's face when his pick's (x4 crit multiplier) confirmed critical gets converted into a miss.

 

[Thanee]

Yeah, only once per attack.

It's a chance for an attack to miss, the confirmation roll is part of the attack.

Bye
Thanee

 

[irdeggman]

Interesting question.

I'd say no you don't roll a miss chance on a confirmation of critical hit roll.

Here is why. . .

pg 140 of PHB "To find out it it's a critical hit, you immediately make a critical roll-another attack roll with all the same modifiers as the attack roll you just made."

Now this isn't another attack it is a confirmation roll (which is the key here IMO). The character is not spending an attack to make the confirmation roll he his just rolling for effect. Basically if the character has 2 attacks a round then the confirmation roll does not count as one of them.

The character has already 'hit' the target so he can't miss.

PHB pg 152 "If the attacker hits, the defender must make a miss chance percentage roll to avoid being struck."

Now this is how I read the action happening here.

The attacker rolls to hit the target. For arguments sake let's say he needed an 18 with a weapon that has a 20 critical range. He rolls a 20. Automatic hit and potential critical.

The target has concealment and a 20% miss chance. So now the defender rolls to see if he missed due to concealment. He rolls a 15% - he misses and can't make a confirmation roll on his critical. He rolls a 50%, he has made a successful hit and can continue with a confirmation of critical hit roll.

The confirmation of critical hit roll is made using all of the modifiers to the attack just made. If the attacker rolls an 18 or higher he has confirmed his critical hit and now rolls for the extra damage.


The assumptions here are:

That a confirmation roll is made after a successful hit is made.

A miss chance roll is made after a (normally) successful hit to determine if the hit missed.

So a character can still miss his opponent with a natural 20 roll and if he missed he can't make a confirmation roll for a critical hit.

At least that's how I read it.
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[Bigwilly]

That's how we rule it too

So a character can still miss his opponent with a natural 20 roll and if he missed he can't make a confirmation roll for a critical hit.

Happened to me last gaming session. Natural 20 on the to hit roll, 1 on a d10 (10%) to see if I missed due to 20% concealment. Boo Hoo!

Bigwilly

 

[glass]

Happened to me last gaming session. Natural 20 on the to hit roll, 1 on a d10 (10%) to see if I missed due to 20% concealment. Boo Hoo!

Me too, except that I rolled an 11 on the miss chance die.


glass.