Mongoose's Cyberpunk? Details anyone?

EarthsShadow said:
Well, I hope Mongoose sheds some light soon but either way I won't be buying this book because it's too expensive for the amount of pages they are putting into it, like their Armageddon and B5 books. Way to much money for my taste. It's for this fact that I haven't bought any of their books in a year.

A lot of us prefer quality over quantity and are willing to pay the few extra bucks for glossy full color contend and a hardcover.

The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting ($39.95) has 320 pages, Armageddon 2089 ($44.95) has 304 pages. I do have to note that the FRCS has a smaller font type, and a color map, but that and the five dollar price increase is the price of being a nice product (read small print run).

The only BIG thing i have against Armageddon 2089 is that the overall art isn't very good. Although the Mechs are pretty neat (computer rendered), the rest of the images are so-so, or plain ugly. That's pretty nasty for a $45 book, especially when you have been lured with pretty pictures of Mechs...

Mongoose needs a bigger art budget, or a higher standard for it's artists. Maybe i'm spoiled with all the gorgeous D&D books...
 

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EarthsShadow said:

Well, I hope Mongoose sheds some light soon but either way I won't be buying this book because it's too expensive for the amount of pages they are putting into it, like their Armageddon and B5 books. Way to much money for my taste. It's for this fact that I haven't bought any of their books in a year.
I can never understand why their books are expensive yet thin. Nevertheless, I did break down and bought Armaggedon 2089. Now, my eyes are focused on what they can do for Babylon 5.
 
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Ranger REG said:
So now what? We can't call the genre "cyberp-" ... err, the "C" word because if we do, we owe R. Talsorian a penny when we're not officially endorsing their product. What proper name we can give this genre type?

*chuckle* Don't be silly. RTG owns a trademark on "Cyberpunk" as a Roleplaying game title. Not copyright on a single word (which I don't believe is even possible...). This has no impact on the usage of the word outside of being the title of a roleplaying game. I would even go so far as to say it is a fairly weak tradmark, as it is not a made-up or name unique to that trademark's object. There's a reason why names like 'Xerox' get made up - no one can argue that they should be able to use it one of their trademarks because it was 'in common usage' before being trademarked. That weakness in the case of cyberpunk would tempt me to make up a different game title, but feel pretty confident in using the word "cyberpunk" in the tag line and/or on the back cover text as necesarry to describe the product. In other words...

"Ice and Chrome
A d20 cyberpunk experience"

...would be perfectly legit on a book cover. You haven't chanlleged the trademark, because your game's title is 'Ice and Chrome', and the tag line is descriptive text, not TM material.

Ran into the same probelm with Spycraft way back when. At one point we were looking at releasing it as "Cloak and Dagger", but Marvel had extended their trademark of the Cloak & Dagger comic series to include the RPG category (fairly standard practice for them so as to be able to publish games about their characters without interference), and we had to find a new name, even though as a concept, "Cloak and Dagger" hugely predates Marvel's characters, and in fact Spycraft's content has more to do with the commonly understood concept of 'cloak and dagger' than that pair of characters ever will. No one stopped using the term in casual conversation just because Marvel filed a trademark. Nor should they :). Same thing with "spycraft" itself. There are plenty of other (non-gaming) books out there using that word in their title, but AEG owns the trademark within the RPG category. We just hedged out everyone else in using a commonly understood word, and I don't feel even slightly guilty about it :p.

In this particular case, since RTG still holds that trademark, and it is listed as active, I'd lay my bets that the early anouncement is a working title.
 


EarthsShadow said:
And maybe, just maybe, they already have an agreement with RT and they just didn't tell us about it. We, as we know, don't know the full amount of details in this situation, but it wouldn't surprise me if they have an agreement of some kind with RT.

I really doubt that. Unless Mike and Lisa had a secret child, and Alex (or maybe that crazy Mexican writer) is holding said child hostage. Then maybe I'd believe it.
 

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