Monk Grappling & Flurry of Blows

[Hypersmurf]

This with the fact that the melee touch attack made to initiate a grapple attack is never specified as 'unarmed' has got me wondering whether one may grapple with a weapon.

You're right that it's not specified... but "grab and hold" doesn't really provide a strong case for grappling with a rapier.

I have a vague memory of some sort of "sticky" weapon ability in the A&EG that had something to do with grappling, but I could be misremembering... but apart from that, I don't think "grab and hold" would permit one to initiate a grapple with a weapon.

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Step back, gentlemen!

Things have been said, to which you both want to respond, but it's turning personal, and that's not going to fly.

Stick to the topic and be civil about it, or I'll lock the thread.

Both of you, please.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Caliban]

You're telling me that you knew that grapples didn't count for Flurries a month ago on another list, but that you didn't know this ten days ago on this list?

One again, a stunning lack of reading comprehension on your part.

The arguement we were talking about in that instance was "are grapple checks the same thing as attack rolls" and "can you power attack in a grapple".

It was not "Can you flurry in a grapple", which I believed you could do at that time, and at the beginning of this thread.

Should we take a moment to reflect once more on how you got Hyp's opinion on Disarms in a Flurry wrong? In the very same breath with which you accused me of not having paid attention to the thread?

Would you like to do that?

Actually I don't want to have anything to do with you at all. You really aren't worth any more of my time, at least until you decide to grow up an act like a reasonable adult.

So far you have been aggressive, condescending, and insulting. I've really got better things to do with my time than debate with you if that's how you are going to act.

 

[jessemock]

You're right that it's not specified... but "grab and hold" doesn't really provide a strong case for grappling with a rapier.

I have a vague memory of some sort of "sticky" weapon ability in the A&EG that had something to do with grappling, but I could be misremembering... but apart from that, I don't think "grab and hold" would permit one to initiate a grapple with a weapon.

-Hyp.

Ultimately, this would be the sitch:

it's an unarmed strike that initiates a grapple--WF: US would apply here.

WF: Grapple would apply to Grapple checks.

Otherwise, what's that touch attack's status? Is it a light weapon? Only unarmed strike has been classified in this way. There's no reference to unarmed attacks as light weapons.

Grapple never has been defined on this count, because it's either irrelevant or (I suspect) grapple is meant to be a subset of unarmed strike (which is why grapple appears nowhere as a weapon, except in the feat text).

Anyway, it's 5 p.m.--I'm outta here.

As for politeness--what can I say? They're polite to me; I'm polite to them.

 

[Caliban]

As for politeness--what can I say? They're polite to me; I'm polite to them.

Except you have been anything but polite.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Well, that was unpleasant.

Clunk.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)