Monk Grappling & Flurry of Blows

[T-Bone]

Ok, more Monk Grappling questions.... all this assuming a 4th lvl monk.

Can a monk use a full round action to "flurry of blows" an opponent and try to start a grapple with each attack? Or is it only for "strikes"

If a monk using "flurry of blows" uses his first attack to grapple & succeeds, can he use his second attack from the flurry to make another opposed grapple check to do damage again, or does he have to "attack" his opponent at a -4 penalty.

If a monk starts his turn grappling, can he flurry of blows to make 2 opposed grapple checks to either deal damage or try to pin, or does "flurry" on work for "strikes" and he would only be able to attack twice both at the -4 grappling penalty.

For that matter, could a monk "flurry of blows" multiple trip attacks? or disarm attempts?

 

[Otterscrubber]

I would say no, you cannot flurry to start a grapple. They are 2 separate types of actions. You may attempt to start a grapple with each of your attacks according to your base attack bonus, but if you flurry you are not grappling, you are taking a full round action to get an additional attack, which is different than a grapple, trip, disarm, etc.

Also, you cannot use flurry to get extra actions while in a grapple. There are a number of actions you can perform while in a grapple and flurry is not one of them. Furthermore, the number of these actions you can take in a grapple in a round is based upon you base attack bonus, not your number of attacks per round due to a special ability. Also, it just makes sense to me that it should be that way at least.

 

[Ranger REG]

I would say yes. There are some unarmed martial arts that involves holds, chokes, and other grappling maneuvers, so I wouldn't take the title of the class feature too literally. Just remember to apply the penalties (unless you're 11th monk level) to all attacks, including the extra attacks.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Grapple, Trip, and Disarm take the place of a melee attack, and can be used one or more times in a Full Attack Action. Flurry of Blows gives you an extra melee attack.

Looks fine to me. Just like you can use Whirlwind Attack to Trip or Disarm everyone in reach (though you won't get your extra followup attacks from Improved Trip), you can use Flurry of Blows to make an extra Trip, Disarm, or Grapple attack.

Furthermore, the number of these actions you can take in a grapple in a round is based upon you base attack bonus, not your number of attacks per round due to a special ability.

Well, it notes that multiple attacks due to high BAB allow multiple grapple checks for certain actions. But this is because "Some of these actions take the place of an attack (rather than being a standard action or a move action)."

A Hasted grappler would, IMO, be able to take an extra one of those actions using his highest BAB for the grapple check, since Haste grants an extra attack on a Full Attack action, and "Some of these actions take the place of an attack".

Just like Flurry of Blows.

-Hyp.

 

[T-Bone]

I would say that a monk who is grappling could flurry to attack multiple times, but it would be the kind of attack that requires an attack roll at -4 (penalty to attack while grappling), NOT to make multiple opposed grapple checks to deal unarmed damage.

 

[T-Bone]

Just like you can use Whirlwind Attack to Trip or Disarm everyone in reach (though you won't get your extra followup attacks from Improved Trip), you can use Flurry of Blows to make an extra Trip, Disarm, or Grapple attack.[

Just curious, if a whirlwind attack is used to trip multiple ajacent opponents, why would he not get his follow up attack from Improved Trip????

 

[Legildur]

Just curious, if a whirlwind attack is used to trip multiple ajacent opponents, why would he not get his follow up attack from Improved Trip????

From the 3.5SRD:

When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.

 

[Darklone]

Due to the strange wording of Imp Trip though there are people around here who do allow the Imp Trip extra attack.

 

[Inconsequenti-AL]

From the 3.5SRD:
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When you use the Whirlwind Attack feat, you also forfeit any bonus or extra attacks granted by other feats, spells, or abilities.
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Sorry for the sidetrack but... that would also include cleave?

 

[Hypersmurf]

Sorry for the sidetrack but... that would also include cleave?

I think it's probably not unlikely that the rule is mostly in place because of Cleave.

-Hyp.