Monk unarmed bab for Multiclassing

[Grommilus]

I came up with some Multiclassing rules for monks that let them somewhat get thier favorable unarmed attack rate.

Monk levels is the number of levels of monk you have, just look up your bab on the chart under the number of monk levels you have for your attack progression

Monk levels 1-5
Normal attack progression

Monk levels 6-9
4/1
5/1
6/3
7/4
8/5
9/6/1
10/7/2
11/8/3
12/9/4
13/10/5
14/11/6/1
15/12/7/2
16/13/8/3
17/14/9/4
18/15/10/5

Monk levels 10-13
7/4/1
8/5/2
9/6/3
10/7/4
11/8/5
12/9/6/1
13/10/7/2
14/11/8/3
15/12/9/4
16/13/10/5
17/14/11/6/1

Monk levels 14-17
10/7/4/1
11/8/5/2
12/9/6/3
13/10/7/4
14/11/8/5
15/12/9/6/1
16/13/10/7/2

Monk levels 18+
13/10/7/4/1
14/11/8/5/2
15/12/9/6/3

what this basicly does is give the Monk class a special ability at 6, 10, 14, and 18 that reduces the penalty for iterated attack from -5 to -3, 6 giving a second atack at -3, with 10, 14, and 18 adding one more iterated attack whose penalty is reduced.

haven't tested it yet, but I think it's gonna work.

 

[SableWyvern]

1. This should be in House Rules.

2. This means a non-multiclassed monk using a non-monk weapon now has improved iterative attacks.

3. I think that, once you manage to understand them, the PHB rules are fine.

4. That said, at a brief glance, this doesn't look terribly unbalancing, except with respect to Comment #2, in which case it has te potential to be especially unbalancing at high levels.

Edit: Unless these babs are only meant to apply to unarmed attacks, in which case they seem fairly reasonable.

 

[Grommilus]

Quote: I came up with some Multiclassing rules for monks that let them somewhat get thier favorable unarmed attack rate.

they are unarmed attack rates. and as for why they're not in house rules, is cause i would like to have more poeple see em, cause they look better than the official to me =)

Edit: oh and
Quote: 3. I think that, once you manage to understand them, the PHB rules are fine.

I find the once i manage to understand them to be vaguely insulting.

 

[Grommilus]

multiclassed monk unarmed attack progression

I came up with some Multiclassing rules for monks that let them somewhat get thier favorable unarmed attack rate.

Monk levels is the number of levels of monk you have, just look up your bab on the chart under the number of monk levels you have for your unarmed attack progression

Monk levels 1-5
Normal attack progression

Monk levels 6-9
4/1
5/1
6/3
7/4
8/5
9/6/1
10/7/2
11/8/3
12/9/4
13/10/5
14/11/6/1
15/12/7/2
16/13/8/3
17/14/9/4
18/15/10/5

Monk levels 10-13
7/4/1
8/5/2
9/6/3
10/7/4
11/8/5
12/9/6/1
13/10/7/2
14/11/8/3
15/12/9/4
16/13/10/5
17/14/11/6/1

Monk levels 14-17
10/7/4/1
11/8/5/2
12/9/6/3
13/10/7/4
14/11/8/5
15/12/9/6/1
16/13/10/7/2

Monk levels 18+
13/10/7/4/1
14/11/8/5/2
15/12/9/6/3

what this basicly does is give the Monk class a special ability at 6, 10, 14, and 18 that reduces the penalty for iterated attack from -5 to -3, 6 giving a second atack at -3, with 10, 14, and 18 adding one more iterated attack whose penalty is reduced.

haven't tested it yet, but I think it's gonna work.

 

[SableWyvern]

Apologies.

My comment #3 referred to the fact that, the PHB explanation of multi-classed monk attack progression is very hard for anyone to understand, myself included.

The comment was not directed specifically at you (if it was intended to insult anyone, it would be the people that wrote the original version (as opposed to the clearer explanation in OA)).

 

[Zhure]

OA, page 33-34
"Character who have levels of only monk classes always get more unarmed attacks than they would noramlly get based on their base attack bonus (additionaly attacks at intervals of -3, instead of -5). Characters who have levels in other classes as well may or may not gain an advantage from this, and any advantage is often slight.

"Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks
Base Attack Bonus Additional Unarmed Attacks
+0 .... ---
+1 .... ---
+2 .... ---
+3 .... ---
+4 .... +1
+5 .... +2
+6 .... +3
+7 .... +4/+1
+8 .... +5/+2
+9 .... +6/+3
+10 ... +7/+4/+1
+11 ... +8/+5/+2
+12 ... +9/+6/+3
+13 ... +10/+7/+4/+1
+14 ... +11/+8/+5/+2
+15 ... +12/+9/+6/+3

"Example: Asako Turima is a 10th-level monk/4th-level henshin mystic. His base attack bonus is +10 (+7 from his monk levels, +3 from his henshin mystic levels). Normally, this would give him an additional attack at +5. He can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for his +10 attack bonus (since the entire bonus is derived from monk and mystic levels) on Table 3-1: Multiple Unarmed Attacks, +7/+4/+1. Thus, he can make four attacks in a round with an unarmed strike (or a monk weaopn), at +10, +7, +4 and +1. When using another weapon, he can make two attacks at +10 and +5. He has the unarmed damage, AC bonus and speed of a 14th-level monk.

"Togashi Tidaiko, however, is a 3rd-level samurai/5th-level monk/ 7th-level tattooed monk. Her base attack bonus is +11 (+3 from her samurai levels, +3 from her monk levels, and +5 from her tattooed monk levels). Normally she would have two additional attacks at +6 and +1. She can instead take the additional unarmed attacks listed for a +8 base attack bonus from her monk and tattooed monk levels on Table 3-1, +5 and +2. She makes three attacks in a round, whether armed or unarmed. If unarmed (or using a monk weapon), she can choose whether to strike at +11/+6/+1 or at +11/+5/+2. Armed with an ordinary weapon, she must attack at +11/+6/+1. She has the unarmed damage, AC bonus, and abase speed of a 12-th level monk."

from the PHB, page 55
"Monk Base Attack Bonus: The monk is a special case because her additional unarmed attacks are better than her base attack bonus would suggest. For a multiclass monk fighting unarmed, the character must either use the additional attacks given for her monk levels (only) or the additional attacks that are standard for her combined base attack bonus, but not both. "

 

[Grommilus]

yah, i completly understand both the rules in the phb and the rules in OA, but i think mine are better for multiclass monks that aren't mostly monk, where as the standard ruling only gives multiclass monks that are mostly monk any kind of advantage.


dat's it

 

[Grommilus]

also you're talking to a man that uses fractional base attack bonuses for multiclasses so they don't have to pick and choose thier number of each class cause they get better bab, but can pick cause of RP reasons

 

[Zhure]

You'll getter better results in the House Rules forum.

 

[Grommilus]

yah, posted it there to after some consideration, but i hate it when i think up something grand and people brand it as "house rule" which for alot means "not in my game"

anywho

Grom