Monk using TWF and flurry.

[Evilhalfling]

Yes I know, yet another monk thread.....

So the topic of a monk adding a secondary attack to his flurry came up in a game, I decided against it, but want to know the options of others. addendum, his off-hand weapon was a chain. I just dont see how it gets around the PHB "The monk cant use any weapon other than a special weapon as part of a flurry of blows." Assuming the second weapon is a monk weapon overcomes my main objection. But if this is allowable, it would be a must have feat for every monk. esp at higher levels where the Flurry penalty drops away.
From SRD :

Flurry of Blows (Ex): When unarmored, a monk may strike with a flurry of blows at the expense of accuracy. When doing so, she may make one extra attack in a round at her highest base attack bonus, but this attack takes a –2 penalty, as does each other attack made that round. The resulting modified base attack bonuses are shown in the Flurry of Blows Attack Bonus column on Table: The Monk. This penalty applies for 1 round, so it also affects attacks of opportunity the monk might make before her next action. When a monk reaches 5th level, the penalty lessens to –1, and at 9th level it disappears. A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.
When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). She may attack with unarmed strikes and special monk weapons interchangeably as desired. When using weapons as part of a flurry of blows, a monk applies her Strength bonus (not Str bonus x 1-1/2 or x1/2) to her damage rolls for all successful attacks, whether she wields a weapon in one or both hands. The monk can’t use any weapon other than a special monk weapon as part of a flurry of blows.
In the case of the quarterstaff, each end counts as a separate weapon for the purpose of using the flurry of blows ability. Even though the quarterstaff requires two hands to use, a monk may still intersperse unarmed strikes with quarterstaff strikes, assuming that she has enough attacks in her flurry of blows routine to do so.
When a monk reaches 11th level, her flurry of blows ability improves. In addition to the standard single extra attack she gets from flurry of blows, she gets a second extra attack at her full base attack bonus.
Unarmed Strike: At 1st level, a monk gains Improved Unarmed Strike as a bonus feat. A monk’s attacks may be with either fist interchangeably or even from elbows, knees, and feet. This means that a monk may even make unarmed strikes with her hands full. There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed. A monk may thus apply her full Strength bonus on damage rolls for all her unarmed strikes.

The PHB FAQ has a bit about the monk and off hand weapons, what it boils down to is that since unarmed strikes do not require the use of the character's hands, any weapon wieldable by the character can be treated as an off-hand weapon (with appropriate penalties, of course) and alternately the character can wield a weapon normally and use an unarmed strike as an off-hand attack (with usual penalties, including half str bonus to damage)

 

[Mekabar]

Wielding weapons while using the Flurry of Blows attack only increases the Monks options of attacking/dealing damage, but not the number of his attacks.

 

[Andur]

A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.


Fighting TWF is a full attack action as well. T

Full attack actions are full round actions.

hus no, you cannot stack them, unless you can figure out how to get two full attack options into one round...

 

[dcollins]

So the topic of a monk adding a secondary attack to his flurry came up in a game, I decided against it, but want to know the options of others....

The official WOTC answer has switched over time. Originally Skip the Sage said "no", as per your reading, and that matches my reading as well. More recently, however, the FAQ was updated with an entry that says "yes".

 

[Hypersmurf]

A monk must use a full attack action to strike with a flurry of blows.


Fighting TWF is a full attack action as well. T

Full attack actions are full round actions.

hus no, you cannot stack them, unless you can figure out how to get two full attack options into one round...

It's not two separate actions.

Flurry of blows is something you can do while taking the full attack action.

Attacking with two weapons is something you can do while taking the full attack action.

They don't have to be different full attack actions. Are you taking the full attack action? If yes, then you can Flurry, and you can attack with two weapons.

Otherwise, you could say "Making multiple iterative attacking for a high BAB is a full attack action. Using Rapid Shot is a full attack action. So unless you can figure out how to get two FAAs into one round, you can either use Rapid Shot, or make iterative attacks, but not both."

Which is not the case. You can make iterative attacks and Rapid Shot. You can use Flurry of Blows and TWF.

You can even use Flurry of Blows, TWF, Rapid Shot, Haste, and Palm Throw as, say, a Mnk12/Master Thrower 5/Ftr3, to throw 22 shuriken in one round.

-Hyp.

 

[Jdvn1]

The latest FAQ says yes, it's allowed. This being a rules forum, I'll go with yes. Plus, TWF + Flurry is just a cool combination.