D&D 3E/3.5 Monster Manual 3.5 errata released

[Alzrius]

So, the Monster Manual errata has been released.

A few things worth noting immediately. As per usual, the errata disagrees with the Sage - this time in regards to which types of DR are supernatural and which types are extraordinary (to see the Sage's take on it, check out page 21 of the Main v.3.5 D&D FAQ).

Likewise, the errata file here says that four creatures underwent significant change (as opposed to the other monsters listed that have minor changes): the deinonychus, megaraptor, gelatinous cube, and gibbering mouther...however, the gelatinous cube is then not referenced at all in the errata! A mistake to mention it at all, or did it need errata and it's entry here got somehow misplaced?

Also, on the monster deity listing at the end, the domains for Hruggek (a chaotic evil god) here are Chaos, Evil, Trickery, War; these do not match those listed for him in Complete Divine, which are Knowledge, Law, and Magic. (Most likely these are right and Complete Divine is wrong.)

Also in regards to Complete Divine, the errata for the MM disagrees with it a bit in regards to the favored weapons of a few monster deities:

Annam had a favored weapon of "slam or shortspear" in CD, which is now "unarmed attack" in the MM errata.

Eadro's favored weapon in CD was just "spear" and is listed in the MM errata as being "shortspear". Same for Hiatea, and Skerrit.

Iallanis's favored weapon in CD were "slam or battleaxe" and in the MM errata are now "unarmed attack".

 

[Knight Otu]

A mistake to mention it at all, or did it need errata and it's entry here got somehow misplaced?

Both the mouther and the cube have the Engulf special ability that is errata'd here. I suspect that the section should have said Gibbering Mouther/Gelatinous Cube, with the added note that the Cube does not get the blood drain ability.

 

[LizardWizard]

I wonder if the changes made their way into SRD...

 

[Humanophile]

Thankfully, both CD and the sage have a history of being off, so I'd be willing to accept this as the design team's final decision after thinking all the issues out. That takes a chunk of problems down right there.

Most likely, the "slam or manufactured weapon" lines were cleared up and cut down to just one attack form (to mesh with PHB style descriptions), and generic "spear" was cut down to just one weapon to avoid being overly general, a philosophical standard D&D tries to keep up with.

Hruggek in CD is probably rushing towards errata as we speak, so I'm willing to accept that the MM errata gods file is meant as the more "3.5 design team ideal" form. DR explanations could use a little shoring up; what happens if, like the lich, part of your DR is Su and part of it is Ex? (Not to mention that it'd be nice if DR XX/epic were listed, for completeness.) And no clue re: the gelatanous cube; I stopped by here specifically to see if any comment about errata on errata had been made.

 

[jodyjohnson]

Based on what the Miniature devs have been hinting at it seems likely that the Gelataneous Cube was also going to be errata'd down to Large (for the min game and to match it's more trtaditional 10' cubed self).

It really deserves it's own separate errata entry (not combined with Gibbering Mouther).

 

[Particle_Man]

So the Choker still has Quickness? Did they fix this problem at the other end (Polymorph, Shapechange, etc.) or can Wizards regain the Quickness power a la those spells and go for 3 spells/round, like in the old days? Not to mention that Psions can duplicate Supernatural qualities of creatures too 9 (but at least psionic focus somewhat limits the duration of the 3 powers/round factor).

 

[Knight Otu]

I wonder if the changes made their way into SRD...

They will most likely enter the SRD along with the next SRD update, the D20 Future update in August.

 

[LizardWizard]

They will most likely enter the SRD along with the next SRD update, the D20 Future update in August.

That's good news.

 

[Hypersmurf]

So the Choker still has Quickness?

Yes. That wasn't an error.

Did they fix this problem at the other end (Polymorph, Shapechange, etc.) or can Wizards regain the Quickness power a la those spells and go for 3 spells/round, like in the old days?

Yes. That wasn't an error.

-Hyp.

 

[demiurge1138]

What was an error that wasn't mentioned was how the balor's damage listings still used the 3.0 balor's Strength score. And the errata has a bit of an error as well. The dinonychus now has a bite that deals 2d4 damage. All well and good, the old one was truly sad. But the megaraptor, the bigger one, has a bite that deals 1d8, which is less damage on average. Shouldn't the new megaraptor's bite deal the damage of a dinonychus' up one size category, or 2d6?

Demiurge out.