Monster Manual 3 Available at Gencon [merged]

[Banshee16]

So, they have changelings, shifters and warforged, but no kalashtar?

They have the lizardfolk variants cut from the ECS, but not the other cut monsters, it seems.

Flinds are back - another one from the ToH.

I bet there's no Kalashtar because they don't have the Quori in the MM3..

Banshee

 

[Gez]

The dinosaurs in Eberron have been renamed, to what a medieval fantasy society might call them, instead of latin scientific names. I suspect that's what they've done here.

Yep. Because medieval-fantasy predators and other large beasts have names like "fleshrakers" and "bonegrinder". If you look at the large or predatory (or both) creatures in the real world, their names of "wolf" or "lion" or "auroch" or "elephant" are very recent, in the Middle-Age they were called "nighthowler", "fastraker", "blacktrampler" and "tusked titan".

 

[Ankh-Morpork Guard]

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Click on "d20 Stuff", then "d20 Material". Three new kobold races and four new kobold spells

You, sir, rock.

 

[Staffan]

I bet there's no Kalashtar because they don't have the Quori in the MM3..

No new Quori? That's a disappointment. I wonder if we're going to have to wait for the Sarlona/Inspired sourcebook before seeing any more than the rather weak one that's in the ECS.

 

[Knight Otu]

Yep, Nycters are there, that I can see. But they were not in the ECS, but they have an entry in the Eberron Art Gallery.

There are also a few other monsters in the Eberron Art Gallery not in the ECS:
Aundair Dragonhawk

Warforged Charger

Tribex

Lizardfolk

And no... it's not OGC at all...

Sad, but expected (And for anyone wondering, I hope for recognition of other companies' work).

No new Quori? That's a disappointment. I wonder if we're going to have to wait for the Sarlona/Inspired sourcebook before seeing any more than the rather weak one that's in the ECS.

Dragon #324 supposedly will have new Quori. Also, I'm betting that there will be a Monsters of Eberron book that will contain new Quori. Maybe also a Planes of Eberron.

 

[AdmundfortGeographer]

(And for anyone wondering, I hope for recognition of other companies' work).

If WotC used it, sure. I doubt they did. WotC has a policy that only in-house products are allowed in the premises. Besides, those beasts that existed before the Tome of Horrors was published, well, existed before the Tome of Horrors. WotC designers probably just took previous edition sources and converted the creatures their own way, just like they did for the creatures that have appeared in the 3e Fiend Folio and were also in the Tome of Horrors.


Regards,
Eric Anondson

 

[Knight Otu]

If WotC used it, sure. I doubt they did.

In case I was misunderstood - I'm not claiming that WotC went and copied creatures from the ToH (or any other source), without giving proper credit. We know that, if WotC uses Open Content from other sources, they give the proper credit, as shown by the MM2 and Unearthed Arcana.

What I want to happen is what happened in the Monster Manual 2 - a small appendix presenting OGC monsters from other sources with the proper credit. As a recognition of the work of other companies, as it happened before.

Besides, those beasts that existed before the Tome of Horrors was published, well, existed before the Tome of Horrors. WotC designers probably just took previous edition sources and converted the creatures their own way, just like they did for the creatures that have appeared in the 3e Fiend Folio and were also in the Tome of Horrors.

I'm aware of the history behind the Tome of Horrors growing from the Creature Catalog here at ENWorld, and also the infamous events surrounding the "Gentlemen's Agreement", which was supposedly violated. That was a big downer for the ToH crew at the time (I'm not aware of any behind-the-scenes going-ons, though, so I do not know what the gentlemen's agreement was, or anything).

 

[cybertalus]

I think they add more flavour to the game. Those are names that folk might actually give dinosaurs; it'd be odd to hear a medieval peasant call them by the names we're used to, wouldn't it?

Yeah, true... though unless the artwork gives some clues or text in the entry includes the real world name of the dinosaur, it makes it rather difficult for anyone besides a hardcore dinosaur fan (which I'm not) to figure out which real world critters the MM3 versions are based on.

Odd, since I usually gripe about the non-fantasy feel of terms used in psionics, but I guess I'd prefer dinosaurs to stick to their real world names. If only so I can gripe a bit when they keep restatting the same dinosaurs over and over again.

I suspect it's because of the influence of Eberron. I'm noticing they've got the Shifter, Changeling, and Warforged in there as well, which are all Eberron races. And new breeds of Rakshasa. The dinosaurs in Eberron have been renamed, to what a medieval fantasy society might call them, instead of latin scientific names. I suspect that's what they've done here.

So in other words.... Blame Ebberon!

 

[Ashardalon]

Yeah, true... though unless the artwork gives some clues or text in the entry includes the real world name of the dinosaur, it makes it rather difficult for anyone besides a hardcore dinosaur fan (which I'm not) to figure out which real world critters the MM3 versions are based on.

Using the Draconic names in the Eberron CS:

The Battletitan is a -vharag'eth, like the T-Rex and the Allosaurus.
The Bloodstriker is a -karan'eth, like the triceratops.
The Fleshraker is a 'rhavad'eth, like the deinonynchus and the megaraptor.
The Swindlespitter is Fashekan'eth, which only really says that it is a land-bound creature (the 'eth part).

 

[Kesh]

Yeah, true... though unless the artwork gives some clues or text in the entry includes the real world name of the dinosaur, it makes it rather difficult for anyone besides a hardcore dinosaur fan (which I'm not) to figure out which real world critters the MM3 versions are based on.

Odd, since I usually gripe about the non-fantasy feel of terms used in psionics, but I guess I'd prefer dinosaurs to stick to their real world names. If only so I can gripe a bit when they keep restatting the same dinosaurs over and over again.

So in other words.... Blame Ebberon!

Kind of. See, I'd have to check my Eberron CS, but I think the dinos in the MM3 are entirely fictional. No RL counterparts at all. There was mention that some new dinos would be created for Eberron.