Monster Manual 3 Available at Gencon [merged]

[WingOver]

If you have time, can you list which are templates? Or how many templates are in the book?

Thanks

 

[WanderingMonster]

Maybe being a bit nitpicky, but the names of dinosaurs are Greek, not Latin, right?

 

[Pants]

Hi jeffers!

So the top generic Daemon is about as tough as a Glabrezu or an an Ice Devil, thats pretty disappointing.

Pit Fiends have 18 HD.

 

[Ashardalon]

Pit Fiends have 18 HD.

And are CR 20. The new ultroloth is apparently CR 13.

 

[Pants]

And are CR 20. The new ultroloth is apparently CR 13.

Read the post I quoted.

I noticed with the Arrow Demon that the CR's were going to be screwed up. I hope it's only a few that are this off.

 

[demiurge1138]

Maybe being a bit nitpicky, but the names of dinosaurs are Greek, not Latin, right?

Most dinosaur names are mixtures of Ancient Greek and Latin, although there's been a movement towards using worlds of other pedigrees as prefixes (often from a language used in the area the dinosaur was found).

Anyway, as Pants said, the outsider CRs seem to be screwed up. Hopefully the "arrow demon" (I'm going to make a new name for it once I get the book) and the ultroloth are the worst offenders here.

And it's about time we got more powerful plants. Simply because deadly flora is awesome. And I'm glad to see new dinosaurs (even fictional ones) and rakshasa varients. This MM does feel slightly Eberron, but, of course, MMII had a lot of Dark Sun content and FF crawled with Planescape. A little bit of the flavor bleeding over doesn't bother me. Besides, I'm playing in Eberron now.

Demiurge out.

 

[Knight Otu]

Read the post I quoted.

I did. Upper_Krust talks about the CR, not the Hit Dice.

I noticed with the Arrow Demon that the CR's were going to be screwed up. I hope it's only a few that are this off.

When aren't CRs screwed up? Seriously, I also hope that the CRs are otherwise reasonable.

A few questions to those lucky enough to have the book:
- Are the "Monster XYZ in Eberron" and the "Monster XYZ in Faerûn" notes about equal in number, or is one clearly more abundant?
- Trolls - Are there also Giants among them (as there should be), or only Monstrous Humanoids (as the War Troll)?
- The (Living) Subtype - is it used beyond the Warforged? Possibly even fully explained?

 

[Upper_Krust]

Hi Pants!

Pit Fiends have 18 HD

Indeed, and Balors have 20 HD. Both are CR 20.

The Ultroloth has 18 HD and is CR 13.

Read the post I quoted.

I noticed with the Arrow Demon that the CR's were going to be screwed up. I hope it's only a few that are this off.

Has the Ultroloth been significantly boosted in other areas then?

Its MotP Ability Scores were:

S: 13, D: 16: C: 13, I: 16, W: 15, CH: 19
AC 21 (+3 Dex, +8 Natural), SR 25, Hp 71.

In the jump to 3.5 the Pit Fiend gained +54 ability points, +10 to AC, +4 to SR and +102 Hp.

The 3.5 Balor gains +52 ability points, +5 to AC, +180 Hp.

Do we see a similar leap in power for the Ultroloth, which was already much weaker than either the Balor or Pit Fiend in 3rd Ed. anyway, despite having the same HD.

Of course 3.5 was the golden opportunity to fix this discrepancy, I am just curious if they bothered?

 

[Vanuslux]

Yep. Because medieval-fantasy predators and other large beasts have names like "fleshrakers" and "bonegrinder". If you look at the large or predatory (or both) creatures in the real world, their names of "wolf" or "lion" or "auroch" or "elephant" are very recent, in the Middle-Age they were called "nighthowler", "fastraker", "blacktrampler" and "tusked titan".

Hah...so very well put.

 

[Pants]

I did. Upper_Krust talks about the CR, not the Hit Dice.

Ah, I read it as the other way around.

When aren't CRs screwed up? Seriously, I also hope that the CRs are otherwise reasonable.

Sometimes they hit the mark.
But the Arrow Demon's CR was... pretty off.

Hi Pants!

Indeed, and Balors have 20 HD. Both are CR 20.

The Ultroloth has 18 HD and is CR 13. [/b]

Well since we're going on HD alone, I'm not going to assume anything about their respective powerlevels, however...

Has the Ultroloth been significantly boosted in other areas then?

Its MotP Ability Scores were:

S: 13, D: 16: C: 13, I: 16, W: 15, CH: 19
AC 21 (+3 Dex, +8 Natural), SR 25, Hp 71.

In the jump to 3.5 the Pit Fiend gained +54 ability points, +10 to AC, +4 to SR and +102 Hp.

The 3.5 Balor gains +52 ability points, +5 to AC, +180 Hp.

Do we see a similar leap in power for the Ultroloth, which was already much weaker than either the Balor or Pit Fiend in 3rd Ed. anyway, despite having the same HD.

Of course 3.5 was the golden opportunity to fix this discrepancy, I am just curious if they bothered?

I certainly hope so. Since it looks like they upped his HD, I'm hoping they went the whole way and de-sissified him completely. I can only hope that the CR is screwed up and nothing else.

Oh well, if the Yugoloths suck, I'll just stick with my revisions.