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[Mor's End Discussion] Time to open shop!
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lalato: ix-nay on the male Lady Kelvin idea 
I also think the sapphires should probably come into play sooner than the special clay and glazes. If there is some special knowledge or expertise (recipe?) is required for the latter, it would take some time to develop this.
Sapphires in the riverbed could be very easy to discover, giving a second incentive (after the trading post / river crossing) for founding a city on this spot. Later an enterprising potter makes the link with the gemstone-laden local clay, and develops the special glazes.
I'm not terribly fond of the high-powered background with the artifact, the wizard etc. Seems entirely superfluous, and it confuses the whole Erek's grandmother / Nonna Deleric issue.
Other than that, great job!
I also think the sapphires should probably come into play sooner than the special clay and glazes. If there is some special knowledge or expertise (recipe?) is required for the latter, it would take some time to develop this.
Sapphires in the riverbed could be very easy to discover, giving a second incentive (after the trading post / river crossing) for founding a city on this spot. Later an enterprising potter makes the link with the gemstone-laden local clay, and develops the special glazes.
I'm not terribly fond of the high-powered background with the artifact, the wizard etc. Seems entirely superfluous, and it confuses the whole Erek's grandmother / Nonna Deleric issue.
Other than that, great job!
Lalato
Adventurer
Thanks Conaill...
I can live without a male Lady Kelvin... I was just thinking it might be interesting to have it in the history. Can we agree, however, that "Lady Kelvin" is an hereditary title passed on to Russol Mor's female children?
In my original history I had sapphires first, but I changed it. I can definitely make them first again. That's not a problem at all.
As for the Erek Nohan saga... I agree that it's fairly campy... It has a quite few inside jokes playing through it...
1. Erek's Grandmother has been an inside joke for us from the outset. Erek's Grandmother is no longer in any way connected to Lady Kelvin. When we first came up with Lady Kelvin we suggested that she might be somehow tied to Erek's Grandmother, but I believe that association was dropped. The Lady Kelvin's name, Nonna Deleric (which means Eric's Grandmother in Italian), is a vestage of that connection.
2. Erek Nohan is a direct reference to Eric Noah. This reference is included since he put the EN in EN World.
3. the wizard, Auvdor Kost... if you say it real fast it sounds like the Wizard of the Coast... thus the need to find information regarding the wizard. It was the reason why EN World began.
4. Russol Mor is a direct reference to Morrus. This reference is included since he is the the main man at EN World.
5. Katze Kulpin is a direct reference to Pirate Cat/Kevin Kulp. An admin of EN World. Katze is Cat in German... sorry, I couldn't resist.
6. The name Lady Kelvin is a reference to all the Entropy names that were in the city naming poll. It refers back to Lord Kelvin who is the scientific genius who described this process.
I've been trying to weave a few inside jokes and references into the history. Unfortunately, doing so makes it seem a bit campy and corny. If everyone prefers that the city have a less over the top history... let me know.
If you would like to read an alternate history... check page 4 of this thread and search for Wolv0rine. He had a nice alternate history based on the same characters.
--sam
I can live without a male Lady Kelvin... I was just thinking it might be interesting to have it in the history. Can we agree, however, that "Lady Kelvin" is an hereditary title passed on to Russol Mor's female children?
In my original history I had sapphires first, but I changed it. I can definitely make them first again. That's not a problem at all.
As for the Erek Nohan saga... I agree that it's fairly campy... It has a quite few inside jokes playing through it...
1. Erek's Grandmother has been an inside joke for us from the outset. Erek's Grandmother is no longer in any way connected to Lady Kelvin. When we first came up with Lady Kelvin we suggested that she might be somehow tied to Erek's Grandmother, but I believe that association was dropped. The Lady Kelvin's name, Nonna Deleric (which means Eric's Grandmother in Italian), is a vestage of that connection.
2. Erek Nohan is a direct reference to Eric Noah. This reference is included since he put the EN in EN World.
3. the wizard, Auvdor Kost... if you say it real fast it sounds like the Wizard of the Coast... thus the need to find information regarding the wizard. It was the reason why EN World began.
4. Russol Mor is a direct reference to Morrus. This reference is included since he is the the main man at EN World.
5. Katze Kulpin is a direct reference to Pirate Cat/Kevin Kulp. An admin of EN World. Katze is Cat in German... sorry, I couldn't resist.
6. The name Lady Kelvin is a reference to all the Entropy names that were in the city naming poll. It refers back to Lord Kelvin who is the scientific genius who described this process.
I've been trying to weave a few inside jokes and references into the history. Unfortunately, doing so makes it seem a bit campy and corny. If everyone prefers that the city have a less over the top history... let me know.
If you would like to read an alternate history... check page 4 of this thread and search for Wolv0rine. He had a nice alternate history based on the same characters.
--sam
Oh, I get all the references, and I like them a lot. The names are great. It's just that we seem to have one too many grandmothers right now.
Also, plot-wise you could leave out the entire artifact episode without harming Mor's End's history whatsoever. It just feels tacked on. I'd say cut it out.
Also, plot-wise you could leave out the entire artifact episode without harming Mor's End's history whatsoever. It just feels tacked on. I'd say cut it out.
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David Argall
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Lady Kelvin
"Can we agree, however, that "Lady Kelvin" is an hereditary title passed on to Russol Mor's female children?"
Probably not. While individual females have risen to power in virtually every culture, that power is not passed on to another female. It generally goes to her son or grandson. So Russol Mor's female children and grandchildren would be powerful or powerless depending on who they married, not based on their ancestry. [by the way, Mor may well have over 1000 female descendants, and probably has a good number of destitute among them]
The more common pattern of a female in power in ancient societies is that she married the ruler and then took over the power, quite possibly because he was deemed incompetent or he died and left her in charge of the child ruler. In these cases, it required a strong personality on the woman's part to maintain a grip on the power.
This same pattern fits nicely with our picture of Lady Kelvin. She is a strong dominant figure with a will to power. Much better for our picture that she worked her way to power than that she was born into the position.
"Can we agree, however, that "Lady Kelvin" is an hereditary title passed on to Russol Mor's female children?"
Probably not. While individual females have risen to power in virtually every culture, that power is not passed on to another female. It generally goes to her son or grandson. So Russol Mor's female children and grandchildren would be powerful or powerless depending on who they married, not based on their ancestry. [by the way, Mor may well have over 1000 female descendants, and probably has a good number of destitute among them]
The more common pattern of a female in power in ancient societies is that she married the ruler and then took over the power, quite possibly because he was deemed incompetent or he died and left her in charge of the child ruler. In these cases, it required a strong personality on the woman's part to maintain a grip on the power.
This same pattern fits nicely with our picture of Lady Kelvin. She is a strong dominant figure with a will to power. Much better for our picture that she worked her way to power than that she was born into the position.
Wolv0rine
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So... what do y'all think?
I don't know if this is the right topic/forum to make this offering, but I was sketching and came out with this pic for the Barbarian, Erek Nohan:
Using this as reference (I hope terribly he doesn't mind):
I added some manly beard-stubble (recalling that Eric once said he wished he could grow a beard). It's my first attempt at even a lose "portrait" of someone in nearly a decade.
I don't know if this is the right topic/forum to make this offering, but I was sketching and came out with this pic for the Barbarian, Erek Nohan:
Using this as reference (I hope terribly he doesn't mind):
I added some manly beard-stubble (recalling that Eric once said he wished he could grow a beard). It's my first attempt at even a lose "portrait" of someone in nearly a decade.
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Lalato
Adventurer
Wolv0rine... That's an awesome picture. Very cool!!!
Conaill... I see your point. An artifact is quite powerful. There is probably a better way to describe what happens. Did you get a chance to read Wolv0rine's version of history from page 4? In the meantime... I'll work on some changes.
Regarding Erek's Grandma and Nonna Deleric... Remember that these two folks are separated by a few hundred years. One thing I was thinking about was... what if Erek's Grandma is the cause of the early humanoid raids into Mor's End? What if she is directing the raids from her lair in the swamps? I thought it might be an interesting plot hook.
David Argall... excellent point. I know that historically speaking matriarchal societies are few and far between. I was just thinking it might be interesting if Mor's End evolved into such a society. One of the interesting things about modern D&D is the strong departure it takes from traditional gender roles. The rulebooks, themselves, encourage strong female players by using female identifiers as opposed to the traditional male identifiers.
Anyway... either way is fine with me. This is a collaborative effort... we can make it whatever we want.
Thanks for the comments thus far... keep them coming.
--sam
Conaill... I see your point. An artifact is quite powerful. There is probably a better way to describe what happens. Did you get a chance to read Wolv0rine's version of history from page 4? In the meantime... I'll work on some changes.
Regarding Erek's Grandma and Nonna Deleric... Remember that these two folks are separated by a few hundred years. One thing I was thinking about was... what if Erek's Grandma is the cause of the early humanoid raids into Mor's End? What if she is directing the raids from her lair in the swamps? I thought it might be an interesting plot hook.
David Argall... excellent point. I know that historically speaking matriarchal societies are few and far between. I was just thinking it might be interesting if Mor's End evolved into such a society. One of the interesting things about modern D&D is the strong departure it takes from traditional gender roles. The rulebooks, themselves, encourage strong female players by using female identifiers as opposed to the traditional male identifiers.
Anyway... either way is fine with me. This is a collaborative effort... we can make it whatever we want.
Thanks for the comments thus far... keep them coming.
--sam
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How about this...
When Erek Nohan arrived in the area, he was accompanied by his grandmother Lady Kelvin, a sweet elderly lady with a habit of chiding him for his use of swear words but a powerful sorceress in her own right.
[skip to splitting up the region between Mor and Kulpin]
Mor founded Mor's End, but left the day-to-day running of the city in the surprisingly capable hands of Lady Kelvin. Erek Nohan founded the library in Mor's End, searching for knowledge about it's ancient past. Nobody knows for sure what became of him, but some say his ghost still roams the stacks. Others say he descended in the Warren and met a gristly fate there.
The first Lady Kelvin died several years later under mysterious circumstances. Around the same time the now aging Mor acquired a new mistress, who soon proved to be a capable admistrator. Before his death, Mor appointed her as head of the city, carrying the "Lady Kelvin" title which people had come to associate with the position. Ever since then, the rulership of the city, and the title, have been passed on from mother to daughter. All of the Lady Kelvin's have had raven-black hair, and the same striking green eyes as the very first Lady Kelvin - Erek's grandmother.
There are rumors that the ancient sorceress found a way to cheat death, moving her spirit from mother to daughter, or just rejuvenating her body every generation. Of course, those are only rumors... or are they?
When Erek Nohan arrived in the area, he was accompanied by his grandmother Lady Kelvin, a sweet elderly lady with a habit of chiding him for his use of swear words but a powerful sorceress in her own right.
[skip to splitting up the region between Mor and Kulpin]
Mor founded Mor's End, but left the day-to-day running of the city in the surprisingly capable hands of Lady Kelvin. Erek Nohan founded the library in Mor's End, searching for knowledge about it's ancient past. Nobody knows for sure what became of him, but some say his ghost still roams the stacks. Others say he descended in the Warren and met a gristly fate there.
The first Lady Kelvin died several years later under mysterious circumstances. Around the same time the now aging Mor acquired a new mistress, who soon proved to be a capable admistrator. Before his death, Mor appointed her as head of the city, carrying the "Lady Kelvin" title which people had come to associate with the position. Ever since then, the rulership of the city, and the title, have been passed on from mother to daughter. All of the Lady Kelvin's have had raven-black hair, and the same striking green eyes as the very first Lady Kelvin - Erek's grandmother.
There are rumors that the ancient sorceress found a way to cheat death, moving her spirit from mother to daughter, or just rejuvenating her body every generation. Of course, those are only rumors... or are they?
