Mor's End Poll
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#4 and #5 are the same, right?
How about this option:
"Lady Kelvin is the name of the person currently ruling the city; The title passes from mother to daughter, and the Lady Kelvin has always held a high position in the ruling of Mor's End"
Seems like you're trying to ask a number of questions simultaneously here:
1) Should we even have a Lady Kelvin?
2) Should Lady Kelvin be a descendant of Mor or Erekh
3) Does the title of Lady Kelvin inherit through the female line only?
4) Has there always been a Lady/Lord Kelvin in charge in Mor's End?
#2 is the closest option to what I would prefer, except that she doesn't have to be the actual ruler at all times.
How about this option:
"Lady Kelvin is the name of the person currently ruling the city; The title passes from mother to daughter, and the Lady Kelvin has always held a high position in the ruling of Mor's End"
Seems like you're trying to ask a number of questions simultaneously here:
1) Should we even have a Lady Kelvin?
2) Should Lady Kelvin be a descendant of Mor or Erekh
3) Does the title of Lady Kelvin inherit through the female line only?
4) Has there always been a Lady/Lord Kelvin in charge in Mor's End?
#2 is the closest option to what I would prefer, except that she doesn't have to be the actual ruler at all times.
Sorry for the slip up on #4 and #5 they are indeed the same.
Your take on my questions is pretty well correct.
OK -- here's my question to you Conaill:
If we accept that the people who founded the city are men named Mor and Erekh,
(a) why is the ruler named Kelvin?
(b) why would a city founded by two men set up a matriarchy?
Your take on my questions is pretty well correct.
OK -- here's my question to you Conaill:
If we accept that the people who founded the city are men named Mor and Erekh,
(a) why is the ruler named Kelvin?
(b) why would a city founded by two men set up a matriarchy?
I'll postpone my vote until you edit 4 or 5. If I have to pick from the choices available now... I would pick the last one...
My explanation is that Mor had only female children. Three, in fact, the first of which died at the age of 7. His wife was the daughter of the chief of the local sheep herders. That particular clan was named Kelvin... Mor's wife was often called Lady Kelvin. After Mor's death, she took over the running of the city. She lived a long life and was a shrewd and successful leader for the fledgling community. She never remarried. In her old age, she named her eldest daughter to succeed her... and so the matrilineal line was born. There have also been times when men have been the leader's of Mor's End... but more often it has been women.
--sam
My explanation is that Mor had only female children. Three, in fact, the first of which died at the age of 7. His wife was the daughter of the chief of the local sheep herders. That particular clan was named Kelvin... Mor's wife was often called Lady Kelvin. After Mor's death, she took over the running of the city. She lived a long life and was a shrewd and successful leader for the fledgling community. She never remarried. In her old age, she named her eldest daughter to succeed her... and so the matrilineal line was born. There have also been times when men have been the leader's of Mor's End... but more often it has been women.
--sam
Unfortunately, only moderators can edit polls. So, I'm afraid we'll be stuck just adding the results of 4 and 5 together. My apologies.
I like the sound of this. It's nice because it fits the indigenous pastoralists back into the city history. So, you'd favour a succession scheme whereby the ruler selects his/her successor from amongst her/his possible legitimate heirs?
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(a) because she descends from the original Lady Kelvin, who was Erekh's grandmotherfusangite said:
(b) she originally got the position because she was most qualified and neither Mor nor Erekh wanted to deal with the day-to-day administrivia of running a city
Answer (a) assumes Erekh was someone important, and not originally from around here (which I think almost all history versions except for yours agree on...). For (b), there is an implied possibility in my version of the history that all the Lady Kelvin's are a single person, although we should definitely not emphasize this. Either way, they all seem to be strong personalities, possibly carrying some talent for sorcery and/or manipulation of people in the blood.
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In a word... Yes.
One of my ideas was that the indigenous herdsmen later became the landed gentry of the area... and some became the noble class in the city. By the way... they herd Argali Sheep... which can grow to 5 feet... and have incredible horns. They also can produce milk (similar to goat)... and wool (medium quality).
--sam
As an aside, it's indeed very plausible to have an unbroken line of women. Some X chromosomes actually treat the Y as foreign DNA, and excise it/disable it (this isn't precisely correct, but it's close enough). If this happens in a fertilized egg, you get an XY woman (which can lead to hermaphroditism). If the Y chromosomes are destroyed en route to the egg, then only X chromosomes are able to fertilize the egg, and you only get daughters. This is a trait carried by the mother, and means that she will probably pass it on to half her children. So it's very possible to have all females. This could have developed into a matriachy.
Responding to Conaill:
I'm going with the majority and not using the grandmother thing.
Wouldn't that make her the Castellan not the Duke?
Responding to Lalato:
I'm really liking this idea. I'm seeing some nice resonances with Russian history here.
Responding to GladiusNP:
Of course, there's no such thing as DNA in D&D but I like the idea of a massive hereditary predisposition to producing female heirs -- perhaps we could still have a few lords Kelvin, though (maybe one every century or two).
I'm going with the majority and not using the grandmother thing.
Wouldn't that make her the Castellan not the Duke?
Responding to Lalato:
I'm really liking this idea. I'm seeing some nice resonances with Russian history here.
Responding to GladiusNP:
Of course, there's no such thing as DNA in D&D but I like the idea of a massive hereditary predisposition to producing female heirs -- perhaps we could still have a few lords Kelvin, though (maybe one every century or two).
