Mul's Stats

[Angerland]

Hey all,

In our campaign world we have an area that is very heavily populated by Humans and Dwarves in an integrated type society. I was wondering if anyone could help me with the racial ability bonuses that Muls had from Dark Sun. Thanks in advance for help, and I apologize if this is a copywrite violating question in which case please tell me and I wll withdraw my question.

 

[DamionW]

athas.org has the official 3.5 revision for Dark Sun. Check there.

 

[Angerland]

athas.org has the official 3.5 revision for Dark Sun. Check there.

oh...thanks!

 

[Staffan]

In 2e, mul got +2 Str, +1 Con, -1 Int and -2 Cha. Their only racial abilities was resisting exhaustion (could perform "heavy labor" for up to 24+Con hours, longer for less exhausting activities) and being able to be considered human for the purposes of class/level limits and dual-classing (which I intepreted as either being able to multiclass and use the mul level limits, or nor multiclassing and instead taking any class to any level).

 

[Angerland]

Staffan,
what were the 2e half giant stats out of curiosity?

 

[Tarangil]

In 2e, mul got +2 Str, +1 Con, -1 Int and -2 Cha. Their only racial abilities was resisting exhaustion (could perform "heavy labor" for up to 24+Con hours, longer for less exhausting activities) and being able to be considered human for the purposes of class/level limits and dual-classing (which I intepreted as either being able to multiclass and use the mul level limits, or nor multiclassing and instead taking any class to any level).

Lets not forget 2E Dark sun characters also rolled 4d4+4 or 5d4 for their stats, not 3d6.

 

[Staffan]

Staffan,
what were the 2e half giant stats out of curiosity?

From memory (meaning they might be slightly incorrect):
+4 Str
+2 Con
-2 Int/Wis/Cha
Large size
Double the base HD roll (so a half-giant fighter with Con 16 (=+2 hp/die) would get d10x2+2 hp/level)
Have a fixed alignment on one axis, and can change the other on a daily basis.
Pay double for stuff on account of there not being many things sized for them.

I don't remember their level limits or multiclass stuff, but I think they did great as fighters and gladiators, and a bit worse as rangers, clerics and maybe druids. They could not be wizards, and I'm pretty sure they couldn't be thieves, bards, traders, or templars either.

 

[Angerland]

Thanks a bunch. Could manage that as a +1 El character I think, maybe even without modifying it at all. Will have to bring it up to the group and see. Mul's are definetly workable htough. Thank you. I went to Athas.org and their stats for the Mul's and half giants were way overblown. These, I think will be much more suitable to our group.

 

[Creeping Death]

Half-Giants

Half-Giants are stated in the Expanded Psionics Handbook. Good race, playing one right now. Love it.

 

[Staffan]

Half-Giants are stated in the Expanded Psionics Handbook. Good race, playing one right now. Love it.

The XPH half-giants are not anywhere near the half-giants of the Dark Sun setting, though. For one thing, DS half-giants were firmly in the Large size category (IIRC, something like 10' tall or more) rather than being Medium with Powerful Build. For another, DS halfgiants weren't particularly psionic - well, Athas is a high-psi setting, so all PCs and many NPCs had wild talents, but nothing like a racial psi-like ability.

Now, looking at things and trying to detach myself from my love of the Dark Sun setting, I can see that the XPH half-giants are quite possibly more suited for being PCs, especially with 3e's greater emphasis on balance. Still, they're not really anywhere near the engines of destruction 2e half-giants were.

Oh, and another thing: given the way the 2e Strength chart was set up, the +4 bonus half-giants gained to Strength was WAY bigger than it looks to someone familiar with only 3e. See, in 2e they had this stupid thing called Exceptional Strength, where a fighter-type character with Str 18 got to roll an additional d100, so he might have Str "18/73". These percentiles created an additional five steps "within" Str 18 (01-50, 51-75, 76-90, 91-99, and 00). This in turn lead to Str 19+ being WAY better than a plain 18 (IIRC, a plain 18 was +1 to hit and +2 damage, with 19 being +3/+7). Combine this with halfgiants having a minimum Str, pre-modification, of 17 (for a total minimum of 21), and you can see where they became total terrors.