Multiclass Rules

[small pumpkin man]

I just wish there was a way to swap in an encounter power.

I think you mean "at will power" or "class ability" as the "Novice Power" feat lets you swap encounter powers fine. (You can technically swap at will powers, it's just difficult and possibly not worth it, and you can never swap class abilities)

 

[Torquin Trebuchet]

I'm very fond of the system. It could go farther, but it really does have a lot more potential than people give it credit for. In my experience, trying to reproduce a 3E multi-class guy you had is a bad idea - instead, look for the new possibilities.

I even think the "total" 4E multi-class works out in some cases. A rogue with Eyebite as an at-will has a heck of a trick up his sleeve, as does a fighter with Radiant Smite. Is that better than +1 to hit and +4 to damage from kensai? depends how high level you are and how much you want to smack the undead around. The +4 is static, but undead vulnerability to radiant seems to just keep increasing. I do think being freed from the 3 forced paragon powers can be a bit of a blessing as well - almost no path has 3 powers I really want.

I'd like to be able to take some of the multi-class feats more than once, I'd like access to some of the unavailable class features, and I'd like some more paragon paths that work well with other classes. All might come in time.

 

[Jack Colby]

I don't think they're perfect, but they are the best multiclass rules yet. They let you do some neat things, without letting you encroach on another class's abilities completely. The main class you chose remains the definitive one, and that is as it should be.

 

[Dice4Hire]

After p;aying 3.x for 8 years, I really wanted a multiclassing system that worked for casters and warriors and did not break the bank with silly weirdness, like cherry picking, totally insane "justifications" for the oddball mix of classes you took, and even weirder alignment changes mid career.

I am very satisfied.

 

[Particle_Man]

And being able to cherry-pick from five, ten different classes? Just no.

How to cherry pick to get abilities from all 8 classes:

Take Class A.

Be a half-elf (get one power from class B)

Take the 1-4 multi-class feats from Class C, maybe abandoning Class A's paragon path for Class C's paragon path or else just getting more powers from class C.

Take the Eternal Seeker Epic Destiny:

Use its Seeker of Many Paths to get encounter and daily powers at levels 23, 25, 27, and 29 from classes D, E, F, and G, respectively.

Use its Seeker's Lore to get a Utility Power from Class H.

What do I win?

 

[Ander00]

You get to play an epic level character who probably isn't even allowed to use implements for many of his abilities, and has to constantly swap things around for others. He'll also have abysmal attack rolls even before factoring that lack in, because he can't have the relevant ability scores nearly high enough to matter. So for a bunch of his abilities, the difference in his attack rolls when compared to those of other characters his level might be something like 10. In short, he'll be much more useless than the old fighter 10/wizard 10.

Yes, it's a ridiculous example. But it also does not work in actual gameplay, even if you could theoretically build it.


cheers

 

[Leatherhead]

For example, if you multiclass to Warlock, you'll never get Warlock's Curse, which the Pact Blade and many powers key off of, not to mention the Pact Boon.

I first noticed this when I sat down to make a Rogue(Warlock)/Feytouched. I was rather disappointed when I realized that two of the Feytouched's main powers just wouldn't work due to a lack of the warlocks fey pact and curse. I believe the Pact Initiate feat explicitly stating that you can pick warlock paragon paths made the revelation more sour than it would have been if I discovered it for another class.