Munskins/Power gaming - Two weapon fighting feat with two bastard sword

[MoonZar]

Hello !

We have a players in our group, that want to use two bastard sword with the two weapon fighting feat of the ranger.

According to the rules, he'll receive a penalty of -4 / -4.

I think that the core rules should specify a list of weapon that cant be allowed with the two weapon fighting style.

You have penalty of -2 / -2 when your off hand is light, and a penalty of -4 / -4 when both weapon are of medium size. So nothing prevent a players to the core rules to use two bastard sword at once, just for the fun of doing more damage with the same penalty of two long sword.

The bastard sword is longer beside a longsword and should have greater penalty with two weapon fighting. But i think this should not be allowed at all. Also this sword is harder to manipulate, you need a exotic weapon proficiency and a str of 13 to use only one bastard sword, just imagine how this could be difficult to use two bastard at the same time !!!

I dont see how this could be possible to use two sword of nearly 5 feet long in a two weapon fighting style.

What do you think people ? I think i'm right but maybe some of you can find me a rules about this ?!

 

[Epametheus]

If he's taken the feats, then there's no reason why he can't dual-wield bastard swords.

It really isn't going to matter, since the -4 to all attack rolls will cause him to miss all the time at low levels, and the extra two points that a bastard sword can pull over a long sword means nothing at higher levels.

 

[Thanee]

You think a penalty of "only" -4/-4 isn't much?

And to compare with the longsword, you need an extra feat for this.

There is also a feat Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting, which reduces the penalties to -2/-2.

Besides, why would one need Str 13 to even wield a bastard sword?

Bye
Thanee

 

[MoonZar]

If he's taken the feats, then there's no reason why he can't dual-wield bastard swords.

It really isn't going to matter, since the -4 to all attack rolls will cause him to miss all the time at low levels, and the extra two points that a bastard sword can pull over a long sword means nothing at higher levels.

Hello,

I know that nothing prevent it in the system, but i still think this harder to do it with bastard sword then longsword. At least they should give him -6 / -6 penalty i think, because this harder.

BTW this should take a 10x10 square on the tactical map for this character because he use too much space when he's using these sword hehehe

 

[MoonZar]

You think a penalty of "only" -4/-4 isn't much?

And to compare with the longsword, you need an extra feat for this.

There is also a feat Oversized Two-Weapon Fighting, which might come in handy.

Bye
Thanee

Hello,

For a fighter this not a big deal to sacrifice one feat to do more damage.

Well these kind of feat like oversized two weapon fighting just push the power gaming too much far i think !

Just imagine a fighter with specialization (bastard), exotic (bastard), two weapon fighting and then he use two bastard !!! Outch, monster beware...

Besides, why would one need Str 13 to even wield a bastard sword?

Because the bastard have more weight and this harder to manipulate with one hand. You still can use it at two hand with no restriction.

 

[MoonZar]

sorry, i put an extra message by mistake and can't delete it.

 

[Wish]

I know that nothing prevent it in the system, but i still think this harder to do it with bastard sword then longsword. At least they should give him -6 / -6 penalty i think, because this harder.

Actually, the rules give him a -8/-8 penalty for doing it. A bastard sword, wielded one handed, is an exotic weapon. Without the proficiency, he's at an additional -4 to hit. It is harder to do than to use a longsword, but by spending a feat, you can learn to do it. Once he has the proficiency, he's back to -4/-4.

What you're saying is correct - it is harder to do than wielding two longswords. But he's already overcome the difficulty by spending a feat.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

I know that nothing prevent it in the system, but i still think this harder to do it with bastard sword then longsword. At least they should give him -6 / -6 penalty i think, because this harder.

Yes, it is harder to do than with a longsword - this is shown in that you need another feat to be able to do it.

Edit: OK, to be able to do it reasonably well hehe

 

[Kae'Yoss]

You call that munchkinism? Boy, you ain't seen nothing yet!

Come back when he's a permanently expanded (two size categories) half-giant wielding two gargantuan mercurial greatswords via monkey grip and that other epic feat.

 

[MoonZar]

Actually, the rules give him a -8/-8 penalty for doing it. A bastard sword, wielded one handed, is an exotic weapon. Without the proficiency, he's at an additional -4 to hit. It is harder to do than to use a longsword, but by spending a feat, you can learn to do it. Once he has the proficiency, he's back to -4/-4.

What you're saying is correct - it is harder to do than wielding two longswords. But he's already overcome the difficulty by spending a feat.

Well, i think that every power gamer wont mind to spend an extra feat to do 1-2 more damage on a weapon.

If we put aside the rules i just think almost physically impossible to handle two weapon of five feets at the same times.