Munskins/Power gaming - Two weapon fighting feat with two bastard sword

[Greylock]

Hmmm, an afternoon of posts changed a question I was going to pose, but it leaves part of my original question intact:

What are the other players characters like? Classes, feats, spells, weapons, etc.

 

[MoonZar]

Hmmm, an afternoon of posts changed a question I was going to pose, but it leaves part of my original question intact:

What are the other players characters like? Classes, feats, spells, weapons, etc.

1 paladin celestian lv 4 with a longsword/spear and shield
power attak, cleave, monted combat

1 ranger lv 4 with two bastardsword
1 cleric lv 4 with a great flail
1 fighter lv 3 with a longsword/handaxe and shield
1 cleric of pelor lv 3 with a mace and shield

I don't know exactly what are the feat of the others players...

Nothing very special about this group, we have high stats and the dm only allow the PHB to avoid the players to use unbalanced stuff or deadly combo. Only the dmg Prestige Class are available. He prefer to play to the base, and we have a lot of fun he's a very good dm who play since 20 years now.

The setting we are in is Greyhawk, we are playing the Greyhawk Wars again IUZ.

I'm playing the paladin, this the first time i play since a while, usually i'm mostly the DM.

 

[Greylock]

Ah, OK. So that actually answers my original question too. I thought at first you were a player in this game, then it started looking like you are the DM. Not important, it just changes how much of this thread reads.

Uhmmm, as far as power goes, you don't think your Paladin is capable of dealing serious damage? More than the Ranger?

 

[S'mon]

Does many of you guys are using these kind of magical item in high level campaign ?

Personally I don't either, my high level campaign has reached 18th and the best stuff available is around +5 or +5-equivalent (eg +3 with 1d6 Frost & 1d6 Lightning damage). No +10 equivalent weapons IMC yet.

 

[S'mon]

According to the PHB 3.5 p. 120 the bastard sword is 5 feet 2 inches and the greatsword is 6 feet.

That's not historically accurate BTW - IRL a greatsword is around 5', a bastard sword maybe 4'6", usually less (a 36" blade with 12" two-handed grip would be classed as a bastard sword although 4' long). IRL a typical sword (D&D longsword) is more like 30"-36" including the hilt. I use historical weapon sizes rather than PHB ones IMC, they just make more sense.

 

[Staffan]

According to the PHB 3.5 p. 120 the bastard sword is 5 feet 2 inches and the greatsword is 6 feet.

Yeah, but that's because the people making D&D don't have much in the way of clueage regarding historical weaponry. See S'mon's post.

 

[Aust Diamondew]

If you're lucky enought to find two maybe, but i dont use many magical shop in my world that you could buy it. I just find very odd the idea of someone who sell sword +4, but again i think i'm not very popular around here about how i'm handling magical item.

You could always comission a wizard/cleric to make one. I don't have any magical shops. No one just keeps magical stuff lying around you have to go in and request for a paticular magic item and if they know how to do it and don't mind losing that much XP they'll make it for you.

 

[MoonZar]

Ah, OK. So that actually answers my original question too. I thought at first you were a player in this game, then it started looking like you are the DM. Not important, it just changes how much of this thread reads.

Uhmmm, as far as power goes, you don't think your Paladin is capable of dealing serious damage? More than the Ranger?

Hello,

Well in fact this doesn't matter if the ranger do more damage then my paladin.

This just that i think that this not physicaly possible to handle two bastardsword of 5 feet 2 inches in a two weapon style and i wanted some opinion about this.

Obviously this seem normal to most of you guys, because this isn't powerful at all according to the general opinion.

Maybe you're right, but, i still try to imagine in my head a guy swinging two bastardsword and I can't see this possible or working.

 

[MoonZar]

That's not historically accurate BTW - IRL a greatsword is around 5', a bastard sword maybe 4'6", usually less (a 36" blade with 12" two-handed grip would be classed as a bastard sword although 4' long). IRL a typical sword (D&D longsword) is more like 30"-36" including the hilt. I use historical weapon sizes rather than PHB ones IMC, they just make more sense.

Well i have many medieval encyclopedia who say that the bastard is around 5 feet with the handle and other reference who say this was more around 4 feet and half. I personnaly think that in real history you had bastard sword from all size beetwen 4 feet and half and 5 feet.

Lenght of weapon was probably different from region and smith, you could have a bastard of 5 feet who was craft in the south of England and have another one of 4 feet and half who was craft in France and another one of 4 feet 10 inches who was crafted in spain. Weapon was not mass produce as exactly the same. The blade and the handle can be of different size.

So i don't think someone can say a fix lenght for all kind of weapon, they are too many different factor who change the blade size and i don't think that the smith from around all europa had some kind of lenght rules.

The best exemple i know is Katana i use in martial art, they have so many different size depending of who craft it and the lenght of the blade is mostly according to your height. However whatever the size this still call a katana. This was the same in feudal japan, the lenght was very different from wich region of japan and for who the sword was made for and from wich clan.

They didn't know ISO you know But i don't have some university qualification in medieval history, so this only based on opinion and what i read.

I really like history and i try to make my campaign world as close possible of how it was in the medieval era, but i was referering to the rules of DnD and not historical fact.

 

[MoonZar]

You could always comission a wizard/cleric to make one. I don't have any magical shops. No one just keeps magical stuff lying around you have to go in and request for a paticular magic item and if they know how to do it and don't mind losing that much XP they'll make it for you.

Yeah you could but i dont know much wizard who will agree to loose xp to build something for the PC. I'll allow it as DM if the players are willing to give a big service in exchange and money is not enought according to me.

I just want the players to work hard for it and don't say...

- " Ah another sunblade, i already have two other, do you want it ? "