Mutants & Masterminds 3rd Edition

[Walking Dad]

Yeah, much higher. This is a difficulty in simulating comics. Mostly the rule is that a hero is more powerful in their own book. Batman is an exception to this.

This is actually the answer I aimed for. Further, the PL in the comics can even vary from issue to issue. I want a system that can account for it (like M&M already does). And don't want the lifting and running capability being counted as the same as combat powers for balancing.

If you don't want such a high level of super-strength and -speed in your world (Marvel and DC already have this) just limit it as a house-rule. And no one else wants such a rule in your group (and you are not the GM/Mastermind), you have to adapt or look for another one. What is inherently wrong for a lower PL character to travel fast? Has anyone the same issue with teleporting?

A new edition shouldn't be about more limits in a superhero game.

 

[AllisterH]

I don't think people realize how FAST the Flash is.

Indeed, relatively speaking, Quicksilver literally got EMBARRASSED when he tried to race the Flash back during the comic series Avengers/JLA.

Flash is literally capable of evacuating a major metopolitan city in under 2 minutes (see Grant Morrison's "Big 7" JLA run).

Here's a recent example of the utter ridiculousness of superspeed.

And then there's his Infinite Mass punch trick which can ko even Superman.

(The only non cosmic being at the big two we on CBR -Rumbles think can tank the punch is Juggernaut. Indeed...he's probably the only one that can beat the Flash thanks to his non-tiring aspect in the Godproof enclosed domed Rumbles arena)

 

[Zaran]

Rifts is on its third edition. There is a revised version, and then Ultimate Rifts.

Actually Pallidium hasn't changed much. I wouldn't even call it having a second edition. That's one game which I feel needs a rewrite badly. My friends and I never got into it because we felt there was no mechanical balance.

 

[Doug McCrae]

Here's a recent example of the utter ridiculousness of superspeed.

Silver Age Superman used to do that a lot. He loved to build things, he was a helpful guy. Like Superboy building a yacht for his parents so they can go on holiday.

 

[Zaran]

I thought the poor man's batman level was PL 5. PL 10 should be fresh new heroes who will have Spiderman show up in issue #3. (I don't know the DC equivalent cliche but any new Marvel comic will have a Spiderman crossover around issue 3.)

Yeah, I remember when Spiderman showed up in Transformers of all comics. Although I don't think he ever showed up in GI Joe.

 

[Piratecat]

Here's a recent example of the utter ridiculousness of superspeed.

Actually, that's just sloppy writing. Superspeed or no, the Flash isn't lifting giant girders unless he picked up superspeed at some point as well.

 

[Walking Dad]

Actually, that's just sloppy writing. Superspeed or no, the Flash isn't lifting giant girders unless he picked up superspeed at some point as well.

I think you meant super-strength. I had exactly the same thought.

 

[coyote6]

Yeah, I just read that yesterday, and was wondering what sorts of girders those were, that he could hoist 'em up.

I miss Wally West.

 

[Walking Dad]

I don't know if this is old news, but there is a podcast interview with Steve Kenson, where they talk about MM 3rd among other things.

You can find it here

 

[Knightfall]

I'm not sure how I feel about this news.

I only have three M&M books, so I could easily let them go for a new version. However, I haven't really had a chance to use them yet.

I'm going to take a wait and see approach to M&M 3e.