My conscience stopped me from submitting.

[Desdichado]

Think about the fact that the profit in question goes to all those involved in the product, not just the creator.

In which case, it ceases to meet the definition of profit, doesn't it? Don't confuse profits with revenues. If the profit margin is 10%, that's actually pretty good.

 

[Storm Raven]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

Why does a topic about being more interested in your setting than in money bring out the worst in people?

Oh, I don't know, maybe it isn't the money so much as it is the overwhelmingly funny super pretentiousness of your stance.

The fact that people don't understand it is fine in and of itself. These people will seek to understand.

No, they think the concept that you would think so highly of something so silly is unbeliveably funny. Every single person I have spoken to in which this has come up as a topic of conversation has been paralyzed by gales of laughter by the silly pretentiousness.

It's those that refuse to understand that something like "my own world" (be it whomever's) could possibly be more important than money that have continued to be a problem since this entire "offer" from WotC was made.

Because most people, unlike you, realize that your "special" setting is pretty unspecial when you get right down to brass tacks. Most settings (including yours, which I have looked at) are just not that great. Talking about how you are of such high integrity because you have foregone the money is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant pretentiousness coupled with self-delusion.

Which makes you really, really funny.

Have I made any claims in this thread, or any other, about the "greatness" of my campaign?

Indeed not.

I've only stated that the setting is special to me and would stop being so placed into the hands of others who do not share the vision I have of it.

Oh, so instead of the "greatness" you are overwhelmed by the "specialness". I note that on rpg.net you resorted to similar semantics when Justin Bacon responded to you.

Which shows that you do indeed remember well who I am, despite...

Actually, I didn't even note who you were until you referenced the wizards boards and I went to look at the rpg.net thread in which you post under the Bendris Noulg name. Who you are has nothing to do with the fact that your pretentious statements in this thread are hilariously funny to almost every person I know.

It's not "my" fued (oh ye lawyer who yet again tries to toss your trollish ways into someone else's lap).

Gosh, what in this thread had anything to do with that thread until you brought it up? I'm not sure, but I'm thinking the guy who ran screaming about the "fued" is probably the guy who thinks there is one.

Rather, it's you that have continously appeared on the Out of Print Board, originally under that flaming dart name and later as the waterlogged fowel as you do here and now, with the self-same snobbish attitude that you entered this very thread with.

And the Wizards OOP board has what to do with this thread again? Oh, right, nothing. You are so empty of actual content that you have to reference a "fued" that only you think exists and yelp about it. That is amusing in and of itself. (And "flaming dart"?)

What's next? Are you going to round up apple-sauce and the rest of the Missionaries to your side again?

I don't think I need help when engaging self-absorbed silly people with over inflated opinions of their own self importance such as you.

That I am Bendris on other boards has been made clear several times; And anyone with even a speck of curiousity enough to click the link in my sig just to see would also likely have enough brain-power to figure it out after but a post or two.

Since this is the first time I have even seen this identity of yours, I put no thought into the subject at all. See, despite what you think, very few people actually care about you or your setting. And most people don't even bother to notice who you are most of the time. I know this is deflating to your self-absorbed ego, but it is true from my perspective. I put exactly zero effort into thinking about Bendris Noulg or any of your other identities.

That you didn't recognize me after the countless debates that you've lost by using your own power-gaming and rules-lawyering methods to discredit OoP D&D and those that still play 2E is either a lie of your own accord (most likely) or a sign that your loosing it (a common trait amongst lawyers that loose too often).

If you think I "lost" the debate on the OOP boards, you are even more delusional than I thought you were.

Begone, foul one..! Taint my presence no longer.

Oh please. Go back to your tiny circle of self-referential adoring fans where you can have your ego stroked, as opposed to having you work actually subjected to criticism from people who aren't already latched on to you like a lamprey.

Oh, that was fun... Care for another round?

If you insist. I find internet dueling with people who have intentionally disarmed themselves like you to be kind of boring, but if you insist on making yourself look even sillier than you look now, I'll oblige.

 

[Jerrid Al-Kundo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

Oh, I don't know, maybe it isn't the money so much as it is the overwhelmingly funny super pretentiousness of your stance.

Depends on your definition of pretentiousness. That seems to be a word people like to use for different things.

Again, I reiterate: People have merely pointed out that they didn't want to sell their campaign, but would rather keep them.

It's a-holes like you and ARP that try to make it sound like we're ripping on those that will.

No, they think the concept that you would think so highly of something so silly is unbeliveably funny. Every single person I have spoken to in which this has come up as a topic of conversation has been paralyzed by gales of laughter by the silly pretentiousness.

So you've surrounded yourself with folks as shallow as you?

How quaint.

Because most people, unlike you, realize that your "special" setting is pretty unspecial when you get right down to brass tacks. Most settings (including yours, which I have looked at) are just not that great. Talking about how you are of such high integrity because you have foregone the money is the absolute pinnacle of arrogant pretentiousness coupled with self-delusion.

If your own campaign isn't "special" to you, then I'd say there's definately something lacking in your playing style (much as I, Halaster, and many others have pointed out time and time again).

Which makes you really, really funny.

Only to those that fail to understand and refuse to admit that it's their own lacking not to understand.

Oh, so instead of the "greatness" you are overwhelmed by the "specialness". I note that on rpg.net you resorted to similar semantics when Justin Bacon responded to you.

Because Mr. Bacon, much like yourself, resorted to misquoting me.

Actually, I didn't even note who you were until you referenced the wizards boards and I went to look at the rpg.net thread in which you post under the Bendris Noulg name. Who you are has nothing to do with the fact that your pretentious statements in this thread are hilariously funny to almost every person I know.

Which has me hopeful that I've moved no where near you... Your friends sound like puds like yourself.

Gosh, what in this thread had anything to do with that thread until you brought it up? I'm not sure, but I'm thinking the guy who ran screaming about the "fued" is probably the guy who thinks there is one.

Who ran? I'm here in your face, refusing to back down as always.

And the Wizards OOP board has what to do with this thread again? Oh, right, nothing. You are so empty of actual content that you have to reference a "fued" that only you think exists and yelp about it. That is amusing in and of itself. (And "flaming dart"?)

I'm of the mind that your interest here is based entirely on those debates. And even if I'm wrong, it's the same self-proclaimed superiority that has you grandstanding now (just as things were seemingly calming down, no less... Another similarity between your posting here and there.)

I don't think I need help when engaging self-absorbed silly people with over inflated opinions of their own self importance such as you.

Who says I'm important? I know exactly what I am: An American that works at [classified] as a [classified] doing [classified], thus my recent move to Virginia so I could work at [very classified]. All I've indicated is that my campaign is more important to me at my table than as a published work.

Find one post here by me or at RPGNet that says otherwise.

Can you?

Oh, my my my... No you can't.

Because I've never made any such statement.

Only those that lack the understanding of what I and others have said perceive our stance as such.

Which only further reveals your own ignorance.

Since this is the first time I have even seen this identity of yours, I put no thought into the subject at all. See, despite what you think, very few people actually care about you or your setting. And most people don't even bother to notice who you are most of the time. I know this is deflating to your self-absorbed ego, but it is true from my perspective. I put exactly zero effort into thinking about Bendris Noulg or any of your other identities.

Heh... This is funny.

This is also why you got involved in how many flame wars with me, Hal and the rest for how long?

If you think I "lost" the debate on the OOP boards, you are even more delusional than I thought you were.

It wasn't my posts that the Wizos were deleting.

What you get for starting a futile flame fest in a thread started by a Wizo.

Oh please. Go back to your tiny circle of self-referential adoring fans where you can have your ego stroked, as opposed to having you work actually subjected to criticism from people who aren't already latched on to you like a lamprey.

I don't have any fans, although I do have several co-designers that share a similar vision for the game as I do.

If you insist. I find internet dueling with people who have intentionally disarmed themselves like you to be kind of boring, but if you insist on making yourself look even sillier than you look now, I'll oblige.

I only look silly because you don't understand how a campaign could be an endeavor worthy of not selling.

So you can think I look silly all you want.

It just proves you to be shallow and pathetic.

 

[BeholderBurger]

Come on guys

This seemed to be a really interesting subject but have found myself getting more and more bored the further I read the posts on this subject.

How you guys have let yourselves descend into a playground slanging match I dont know but grow up the pair of you or ill clip you round the ears and send you to bed without any supper.

My 2 cents worth.......I didnt send mine in partly because I didnt want WOTC getting anything for nothing.(Lets face it for HASBRO inc 120grand is bugger all) but mainly because I thought it was crap.

 

[Dingleberry]

Remember: You always lose every shot you don't take. And, statistically, most of those you do.

For every winner, there are thousands of losers. Odds are, you're one of them.

(The above quotes are from a calander I had once...wish I could find it again...)

Lizard, you're looking for the Demotivators at despair.com. Brilliant stuff.

 

[Raven Banner]

GOOD LORD! I came here to avoid all the flaming crap at WOTC and who do I find here? Storm Raven...one of the scummiest, nastiest, rudest trolls I've ever seen. He seems to have a habit of attacking certain people without cause. What, WOTC got tired of your crap so you're doing it here now?

Would a moderator please do something to get rid of this troll? He's hijacked a thread here by posting unprovoked attacks against another user. I guess I'll have to warn people away from these boards if this in allowed to continue.

 

[angramainyu]

This has gone on long enough.

Civil tones and words from now on.

 

[Tuerny]

Am I the only one who finds it a little suspicious/convenient that the very first post from a new user is a personal attack against Storm Raven?

Doesn't that just seem to stink a little of dirty tactics from someone who wishes to attract retribution from the moderators onto him because of either his arguments in this thread or a grudge against him?

 

[Jerrid Al-Kundo]

Doesn't that just seem to stink a little of dirty tactics from someone who wishes to attract retribution from the moderators onto him because of either his arguments in this thread or a grudge against him?

Yes it does...

I certainly hope the mods will do me the justice of at least indicating if the IP Log clears me on this circumstance.

As dispicable as Storm Raven is, I wouldn't want that kind of act to be pegged on me when such isn't the case.

I can handle SR on my own terms (as I always have in the past).

 

[angramainyu]

... which is why I expect civility from everyone