My conscience stopped me from submitting.

[Steve Conan Trustrum]

Paka:

My concern isn't other DMs; If so, my setting wouldn't be online and I wouldn't accept public input to its development.

What concerns me is WotC butchering the themes of the world to make it more "commercially palatable".

Precisely. I'd prefer to go with a smaller company whose corporate decisions aren't sent down by the same people who keep Pokemon on the market (YIPES, cheap dig there, eh? ). I think some of these people who are responding along the lines of "what makes you think your setting is so special that you can choose not to send it in" are missing the point - we're not saying that our setting is too good to send in (hell, I won't even speculate as to whether or not any of my campaign worlds would make it into the top 10%, let alone any further). What we're saying is that we don't want turn over setting in this manner, even for $120K.

This isn't fear, as some people have suggested, because most of us who are saying we don't want to submit have already been published elsewhere, and this isn't ego either as I certainly believe that there are many far better writers out there, both pros and amateurs who never let anyone see any of their material, than I. What it is is a desire to develop our favorite setting, the one we put our best ideas into, in our own control.

For me, it isn't about the money at all - $120K isn't that much in my particular circumstances - so I love watching people replying to this telling me to toss my stance on this matter by the wayside and get greedy, no matter what.

 

[Eosin the Red]

Sorry, double post ---damn backspace.


PS - Jerrid, I am following over at RPGNet. I had my kid in my hands while typing previously. I see you got the point, not shame on you but nasty arguments belong over there.


I also looked over your forum. Got a website that has more details?

 

[Ds Da Man]

I just read all of that crap, and ARP and Jerrad both sound like arrogant pains in the behinds! Either way, at least one more world isn't in the pile.

 

[Jerrid Al-Kundo]

PS - Jerrid, I am following over at RPGNet. I had my kid in my hands while typing previously. I see you got the point, not shame on you but nasty arguments belong over there.

No problem. I'm happy not to soil these boards with that mess.

Besides, I'm chasing 3 kids myself.

I also looked over your forum. Got a website that has more details?

Currently being built. I'm open to questions, however (but let's not highjack this thread over it; You can e-mail me or post questions at The Reprieve.).

I just read all of that crap, and ARP and Jerrad both sound like arrogant pains in the behinds! Either way, at least one more world isn't in the pile.

The difference is that I've got room to be arrogant: I'm a paying customer.

On topic:

It is interesting to note that the person that started this thread has been published.

Bravo to RW.

 

[chatdemon]

Re: Put up or Shut up.

I'm seeing this quite a bit between RPG.NET and here, so, um, let's check the facts:

Rangerwickett is a published D20 author. He also, as far as I know, does most of the dirty work producing Asgard ezine with Morrus. If he wants to say 'I didn't feel comfortable handing over my work to this contest', I think that's his right.

My point was different, I was saying that a lot of the creative energy involved in this contest could have been applied to supporting the fan communities for existing settings with more positive results. I'm not just blowing smoke up your wahoo, check www.canonfire.com to see my contributions of late to the greyhawk community (I'm also an admin/editor there, if that matters.)

As for the whole 'you are not worthy of being afraid wotc will ruin your setting', how many times have we seen threads here lamenting what TSR did to Gygax's Greyhawk? I guess that's different though, Gygax is a pro, we're just ameteurs, right?

 

[Storm Raven]

Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

All I have to say is this: I have referenced the "my world is too valuable a creation to be sullied by WotC" theme in this thread with a number of people I know who are active in the rpg scene, and several others who are not.

All have had the exact same reaction:

Gales of uncontrollable laughter.

What does that tell you?

 

[Jerrid Al-Kundo]

Re: Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

All I have to say is this: I have referenced the "my world is too valuable a creation to be sullied by WotC" theme in this thread with a number of people I know who are active in the rpg scene, and several others who are not.

All have had the exact same reaction:

Gales of uncontrollable laughter.

What does that tell you?

That you've decided not to leave our fued at the OoP Board at WotC...

Where it belongs.

 

[Storm Raven]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

That you've decided not to leave our fued at the OoP Board at WotC...

No, it means that that the idea that your setting (or actually, any setting, since I didn't mention who was making this claim, or about what setting they were making it) is somehow so valuable that you can't part with it for thousands of dollars strikes dozens of people both with and without extensive exposure to the RPG industry as being so funny they can't help but laugh out loud.

Where it belongs.

Do you really think your petty and arrogant claims about the "greatness" of your setting are actually meaningful? In any forum?

Or that I recognized you as Bendris Noulg until you pointed it out? Or that you qualify as a "feud" participant? You have a long way to go before you are important enough for me to care about your "feud".

 

[Jerrid Al-Kundo]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Put up or Shut up.

Why does a topic about being more interested in your setting than in money bring out the worst in people?

Sheesh...

No, it means that that the idea that your setting (or actually, any setting, since I didn't mention who was making this claim, or about what setting they were making it) is somehow so valuable that you can't part with it for thousands of dollars strikes dozens of people both with and without extensive exposure to the RPG industry as being so funny they can't help but laugh out loud.

Indeed.

The fact that people don't understand it is fine in and of itself. These people will seek to understand.

It's those that refuse to understand that something like "my own world" (be it whomever's) could possibly be more important than money that have continued to be a problem since this entire "offer" from WotC was made.

Do you really think your petty and arrogant claims about the "greatness" of your setting are actually meaningful? In any forum?

Have I made any claims in this thread, or any other, about the "greatness" of my campaign?

Indeed not.

I've only stated that the setting is special to me and would stop being so placed into the hands of others who do not share the vision I have of it.

Which shows that you do indeed remember well who I am, despite...

Or that I recognized you as Bendris Noulg until you pointed it out? Or that you qualify as a "feud" participant? You have a long way to go before you are important enough for me to care about your "feud".

It's not "my" fued (oh ye lawyer who yet again tries to toss your trollish ways into someone else's lap). Rather, it's you that have continously appeared on the Out of Print Board, originally under that flaming dart name and later as the waterlogged fowel as you do here and now, with the self-same snobbish attitude that you entered this very thread with.

What's next? Are you going to round up apple-sauce and the rest of the Missionaries to your side again?

That I am Bendris on other boards has been made clear several times; And anyone with even a speck of curiousity enough to click the link in my sig just to see would also likely have enough brain-power to figure it out after but a post or two.

That you didn't recognize me after the countless debates that you've lost by using your own power-gaming and rules-lawyering methods to discredit OoP D&D and those that still play 2E is either a lie of your own accord (most likely) or a sign that your loosing it (a common trait amongst lawyers that loose too often).

Begone, foul one..! Taint my presence no longer.



Oh, that was fun... Care for another round?

 

[Galen]

Well if your not comfortable signing away your ideas then don't do it.

Everyone plays RPG's for different reasons. If the thought of seeing someone make money off one of your ideas hurts you, then dont submit.

If your someone that dreams a lot, and has ideas to spare then perhaps you can submit. Its all about having fun doing what you like to do. If it doesn't sound fun, dont do it. Unless you need to for food, or heat maybe. Yea food and heat. hmm, or cold if its to hot. Food, heat, and air conditioning. Yea, thats the ticket.

I'm a complete dreamer, I enjoyed turning in ideas, just to see some on paper. Its kind of like building a hot rod in your mind, and then later on you get to play with models/lego's. Then perhaps when you get enough cash, actually buy the stuff to make a real one. Its not the end result of having a hot rod, its seeing something you dreamed up get created and working. I understand better why my father loved cars.

Galen