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My DN Rant (cont'd)
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Tom Cashel
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Glamdring: as an English grad, surely you must notice the extremely poor writing in most FR novels? That's the main reason I ignore them to the best of my ability.
To be quite honest with you all, the only reason I decided to begin posting here is to see how many people would immediately dissect my posts and search for the smallest inconsistencies and contradictions. I don't have time to post using quotes, but a lot of what has been said concerning my posts is nothing more than empty ranting. I hope you all feel better. Couldn't any of you provide constructive criticism? I see way too many exclamation points and offensive comments, as I knew I would. It's the same with every message board and chat room I've ever sat in. One person provides an opinion, and the piranhas swarm instantly. I love it. I'm really not the slightest bit concerned with novels or my game. Those of you with enough of an open mind might actually enjoy a game with me. Of course, once I post this, I'll be setting myself up for more attacks, so please, don't disappoint me. The interesting thing is that if any of you met me, you'd see how much of a decent fellow I am. Dungeon Nazi can attest to that, however, he enjoys taking jabs at me as much as many of you. 
In closing, I never directly called anyone an idiot. I merely explained what would occur should certain events fall into place. Of course, at least one of you HAD to imply that I was speaking to each of you directly. It happens consistently in a message board medium, and I knew it was coming. Let's see what happens now. Can we discuss things, or are we going to continue to argue? I already know the answer. Please don't disappoint me.
In closing, I never directly called anyone an idiot. I merely explained what would occur should certain events fall into place. Of course, at least one of you HAD to imply that I was speaking to each of you directly. It happens consistently in a message board medium, and I knew it was coming. Let's see what happens now. Can we discuss things, or are we going to continue to argue? I already know the answer. Please don't disappoint me.
Skarp Hedin
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Right, so, you admit to being a troll. Gotcha.
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That's quite a bit of a cop-out, Glamdring. Actually, you haven't really been insulted on this thread, and most of the initially heated comments that came out have been resolved.
You've completely ignored my post, however. How do you answer the following points that I made? If you're serious about wanting good debate, let's hear it:
You've completely ignored my post, however. How do you answer the following points that I made? If you're serious about wanting good debate, let's hear it:
- FR is not a novel based campaign setting. Rather, the FR novels are based on the FR D&D setting. Therefore, you're focus is completely backwards from the intended scenario.
- How do you handle inconsistencies that would almost inevitably come up if you're running epic games (like you say you are) and new novels are constantly coming out?
- How do you handle players having way more knowledge about the setting than their characters can be expected to have?
- How do you answer my charge that relying on the books to give you atmosphere is a crutch for bad DMing?
- How do you maintain the 3e "forgot" to include things like infravision, when it is clear that they were changed on purpose, and 3e designers have even specifically addressed that particularly change? Or drow weapons not disintegrating anymore? Or the other issues that you consider to be "sacred cows" of FR, but which no longer exist in the new rules system?
- On a related note, how can you consistently say that 3e is a patch for 2e when it is clearly a major revision and rehaul, and the designers of the game have even stated exactly that?
- How do you answer the charge that I say there's no way you can claim that your campaign is bigger in scope than most DMs?
- How can you make any relationship one way or another about your campaign being big in scope and that requires the novels to play?
- What does the fact that you're an English grad student have to do with gaming?
- If you want to be published by WotC, why haven't you looked at their writer's guidelines? Do you really think that WotC is ignoring 3e changes and carrying on in a 2e mode?
- I'd like some more discussion about your extremely odd position that DMs are like teachers and players like students.
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Glamdring appears to be a chap at that stage in life (typically age 21-22 or so) when he feels the need to assert a status ( in this case a graduate student who expects to become an English teacher and expects possibly foolishly) to be published by WoTC) that puts him above the common rabble of undergraduate students and highschool pupils - reminds me of me, age 22, when I'd been on the Internet about 6 months, circa January 1995, and claiming to be an Internet veteran!.
For Glamdring, ENWorld is perhaps a silly place to do this, given that many of us are professionals in our late '20s and up with actual jobs, careers, wage packets, wives & families etc, often moderately well-read, who know that FR authors are hack authors and mostly terrible writers, and find the idea of giving such respect to their works amazing and/or infuriating.
That said, I actually tend to agree re infravision/dark vision - in my own 3e game I treat low-light vision as mundane 'cat's eye' vision, but darkvision as heat-vision, infravision - ie it detects emanated heat or cold. For most races it's black & white, but drow have advanced infravision - they see in colour. Haven't encountered any problems with this yet. I also plan to retain the idea that drow equipment is destroyed when exposed to sunlight. Why not? I like the idea and it keeps the magic item gradient low, appropriate for my fairly low-magic setting.
For Glamdring, ENWorld is perhaps a silly place to do this, given that many of us are professionals in our late '20s and up with actual jobs, careers, wage packets, wives & families etc, often moderately well-read, who know that FR authors are hack authors and mostly terrible writers, and find the idea of giving such respect to their works amazing and/or infuriating.
That said, I actually tend to agree re infravision/dark vision - in my own 3e game I treat low-light vision as mundane 'cat's eye' vision, but darkvision as heat-vision, infravision - ie it detects emanated heat or cold. For most races it's black & white, but drow have advanced infravision - they see in colour. Haven't encountered any problems with this yet. I also plan to retain the idea that drow equipment is destroyed when exposed to sunlight. Why not? I like the idea and it keeps the magic item gradient low, appropriate for my fairly low-magic setting.
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Well, I shouldn't be too surprised, I guess. Look likes I was hooked by troll-bait.
I just think it would be interesting to see how Glamdring can manage a novel-based FR setting. I like FR, but have never read any of its novels. Nor do I try to keep up with the setting by picking up every FR supplement. Personally, I think its a futile task to make *your* FR exactly like the *official* FR - novels and all.
In short, there's wayyy to much FR material out there. I just take what I want, and leave the rest, just like your salad bar...
That said, Glamdring's game/campaign might be extremely fun - who are we to judge?
In short, there's wayyy to much FR material out there. I just take what I want, and leave the rest, just like your salad bar...
That said, Glamdring's game/campaign might be extremely fun - who are we to judge?
