My problem with Monte Cook...

[Dinkeldog]

Why are we discussing this here instead of a more appropriate forum, like, say Nutkinland?

 

[Fast Learner]

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Wow! This is a lot to take in all at once. How can Monte spout forth this much drivel in one section of his argument.
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Wow. And I thought the first section was bad.
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This is the worst form of mis-informed tripe I have read yet -- and the first two sections were pretty close. Monte, you outdo yourself in each step.
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Stick to D&D. At least there you can only ruin my DMG with your flawed thinking.
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It may be another rant, Monte, but that does not mean that I happen to care for your opinion on these matters.
[/B]

So "Mr. Maturity," debate much? Nice job showing off your brilliance by personally attacking someone rather than just sticking to where you find fault in the argument. [/sarcasm]

No, you don't care for his opinion. So what? How, precisely, does that entitle you to personal attacks?

 

[jgbrowning]

rant

last time i looked he didn't force you to read his opinions.

and thats what they are opinions. if you want facts go read socialogy and economy books. bah!

of course, if he agreed with you, that would be another story wouldn't it?

joe b

 

[Dinkeldog]

Since you're not likely to go where this belongs (http://pub115.ezboard.com/fnutkinlandfrm13), this:

Inequality between the shop floor and the executive suite is at an all-time high. According to Business Week, the average CEO made 42 times the average blue-collar worker’s pay in 1980, 85 times in 1990 and a staggering 531 times in 2000. Academic studies, including those published by the University of California, Berkeley and Stanford University, have shown this inequality hurts employee morale and productivity and boosts turnover.

came from here: http://www.aflcio.org/paywatch/ceopay.htm

 

[alsih2o]

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/08/28/BU84718.DTL

avg salary of investigated company's ceo's-62 million

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Re: Re: Re: My problem with Monte Cook...

I think the whole point is that he is inviting replies. He does, after all, have an entire forum on his site devoted to his Another Rant column. What do you think it's for?

I can appreciate that is what he wants, but it does not serve him or me.

I already buy most of his products- coming to respect his personal views is without value. I respect him as a game designer and am not interested knowing that much about his opinion.

However, if I come to disrespect him, then I will not purchase his products any more. That is a loss for both of us.

FD

edit: missed a letter

 

[Nikchick]

Re: What Monte left out

...Monte got laid off...

Actually, Monte left of his own accord.

It's virtually impossible to have been assoiated for any length of time with Wizards of the Coast without being confronted with the absolute worst of "corporate culture" and (much as with Christianity) it's the worst of the worst who taint the thing. Not all Christians are mean-spirited, retributive televangelists, not all corporations are soul-sucking and creatively bankrupt, but there's enough of it going around to make some of us flinch.

Another whack of WotC employees are due to be laid off next week, and once again, it'll be a situation where they come to work in the morning and are told to clear out their desks by that afternoon. Whatever other benefits corporations might have for business, that kind of corporate oversight of creative properties like D&D does nothing but whittle away at the creative spark of the thing, until it eventually goes out. D&D as a property is not being nurtured and grown by the corporation. The fact that it is still lively at all is due to the care a few dedicated individuals have shown for it *despite* the poisonous attentions of the corporation that owns it.

So there's my own little rebuttal rant, but at least it's sorta on topic. I did TRY to bring it around to address D&D in particular.

Nicole
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[Aaron L]

So apparently it is a matter of personal experience vs. personal experience. It is a thing to be noted which people are being nasty in the expression of their opinion, since all this of this is opinion.

 

[MEG Hal]

Re: Re: What Monte left out

Another whack of WotC employees are due to be laid off next week, and once again, it'll be a situation where they come to work in the morning and are told to clear out their desks by that afternoon. Whatever other benefits corporations might have for business, that kind of corporate oversight of creative properties like D&D does nothing but whittle away at the creative spark of the thing, until it eventually goes out. D&D as a property is not being nurtured and grown by the corporation. The fact that it is still lively at all is due to the care a few dedicated individuals have shown for it *despite* the poisonous attentions of the corporation that owns is.
Nicole

Damn more lay offs
This just ruined my weekend, as much as I like working with (and hanging with) former WoTC guys, this sucks big time for them and their families. I am going to say good luck before the shoe drops this time.

 

[I'm A Banana]

Yeah....getting pissed that people have an opinion...that's real constructive....

Monte's been defended enough in his rites to rant. He's got a website. He can put what he wants on it. And you have every right to whine about what he puts on it. But you shouldn't really whine about his *right* to put something there.

If you disagree with his opinion, that's fine...but that's no reason to have a problem with the guy. It is possible to have a civil disagreement, you know.

And, yes, saying that a plane crashed and killed 24 is a statement of perception and opinion. It could have been 25, and the other body hasn't been found yet. It could've been a landing, not a crash...just a very bad landing.

And I do agree somewhat with what Monte says. Though I do think corporations can be used for useful things to the general populace as well, I think a lot of them are fairly unfair because they can be. And there's nothing really wrong with that. Life's not fair, because it doesn't have to be.