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True. At this rate the Forge Adept Artificer is the closest thing to that.
I assume you mean the Battle Smith, right?

Yeah, it's good at gishing, but not good at being a generic gish. It's actually really bad at that, due to how specific its class and subclass is. Duskblades and Swordmages were not known for having mechanical doggos or for their skills in inventing flying, face-punching prosthetic arms.
 

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I assume you mean the Battle Smith, right?

Yeah, it's good at gishing, but not good at being a generic gish. It's actually really bad at that, due to how specific its class and subclass is. Duskblades and Swordmages were not known for having mechanical doggos or for their skills in inventing flying, face-punching prosthetic arms.
I also meant the Forge Adept Artificer from Exploring Eberron as well. A number of people on this message board believe it manages to nail the Gish role, by 5E standards, pretty well.
 



I don't think for the Valor/Swords bard, but definitely for Battlesmiths/Armorers, as they are melee gish subclasses that have access to the GFB/BB spells.
Well the Valor Bard can cast cast a Bard spell and bonus action an attack at level 14. Going by the errata house rule logic, that means the level 14 Valor bard can Extra Attack and replace one of the attacks with casting a Bard Spell.
 


Well the Valor Bard can cast cast a Bard spell and bonus action an attack at level 14. Going by the errata house rule logic, that means the level 14 Valor bard can Extra Attack and replace one of the attacks with casting a Bard Spell.
I know, I just don't think that a bard (even a martial bard subclass) fits the role of a gish that well, and thus doesn't really deserve the special Extra Attack.
 


Myself, a Fighter 11/BS 6 is free to make 2 attacks and a cantrip as part of the attack action. It is T3 and you built your character for just this trick. Have fun. I don't see a serious balance hit here, nor is the wording so tortorous I'd recoil.

I'd also say that Haste is "the only thing you can do is one single attack in the attack action", which bars making a cantrip attack in the hasted action. Haste is already pretty darn strong, it doesn't need the boost.
Thank you for elaborating the different readings. That is exactly what I thought about. I do think the most RAW way is either 3 attacks or 2 and a cabtrip.

Probably if you allow 3 attack + 1 bonus action attack as a fighter, bladesinger they can then make 4 attacks with 1 of them a cantrip... which seems more than a level 20 eldritch knight can have and about equal to what a level 17 warlock can do.
So I think I would lean to that you need to decide.
On the haste case, it states one weapon attack only, while the normal attack action only states you make one ranged or weapon attack, which can encompass attacks that are from spells... which I actually just noticed...
So I would lean to not allowing the bladesinger to cast a cantrip there.

On the other hand, i have not seen a ranged attack or melee attack that is not a weapon attack which is triggered by using the attack action.

Edit: on yet another hand, the special action granted by the healer feat is usually interpreted as use an item action, which can be done with a bonus action by the thief subclass.
Using the same logic here, hurling a produced flame (you already had in hand) or using a flame blade could be ruled to work together with extra attack...

Edit:
On the 4th hand, the use an object action states, that everytime an item say it takes an action, that it is the use of "use an object" probably a magical flame is use a magical object?
I have afound a single case, where you are allowed to use a spell attack with your attack action: the sunsoul monk special attack.
 
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