natural attacks and flurry

[indigox]

Hello,
A dragon desciple (2xclaw,1xbite) with some monk levels (flurry) and a BAB +6/+1 or higher has how many attacks?
5? or?

 

[kaigrass]

You can either use your natural attack routine OR the number of attacks according to your bab and your class abilities. But you cannot mix both.

 

[Klaus]

The dragon disciple/monk can perform a Flurry of Blows as a main weapon and use one of his natural attacks as a secondary weapon, incurring all the usual penalties for doing so (both the unarmed flurry and the natural weapon are light weapons for Two-Weapon Fighting purposes).

This has been answered in, iirc, an FAQ by Skip Williams...

 

[Egres]

The dragon disciple/monk can perform a Flurry of Blows as a main weapon and use one of his natural attacks as a secondary weapon, incurring all the usual penalties for doing so (both the unarmed flurry and the natural weapon are light weapons for Two-Weapon Fighting purposes).

This has been answered in, iirc, an FAQ by Skip Williams...

You can't TWF with your Natural Weapons.

 

[Kemrain]

The way I recall it, you get your flurry attacks, and then you get a "secondary natural weapon" attack at -5 that does .5 strength damage...

- Kemrain the Unnatural Weapon.

 

[Sejs]

You can't TWF with your Natural Weapons.

You can if you're combining it with the use of unarmed strikes (for monking and the like) or manufactured weapons. So, say a creature with 2 claw attacks, holding a longsword can (when making a Full Attack) use the longsword, and then take an off-hand attack with its unoccupied claw.


And just to say it ahead of time, in case it pops up in the thread - no, natural weapons are not unarmed strikes or special monk weapons so you can't flurry with them.

 

[Hypersmurf]

You can if you're combining it with the use of unarmed strikes (for monking and the like) or manufactured weapons. So, say a creature with 2 claw attacks, holding a longsword can (when making a Full Attack) use the longsword, and then take an off-hand attack with its unoccupied claw.

That's not an off-hand attack, that's a secondary natural attack.

Let's assume a normal attack bonus of +5, and the TWF feat.

Longsword and dagger: +3/+3. (+5/+5, with a -2/-2 penalty for TWF with a light off-hand weapon)

Longsword and claw: +5/+0. (No penalty for TWF, since you're not using a second weapon in your off-hand; all secondary natural attacks take a -5 penalty unless you have the Multiattack feat)

-Hyp.

 

[Sejs]

Secondary Natural Attack. Right, I used the wrong term. My bad.

 

[Korak]

However, you still can't flurry during a full attack in which you use any weapons not allowed in a flurry (ie. natural weapons, non-monk weapons).