Natural Attacks- Bite and Headbutt in the same round?

[RUMBLETiGER]

Is there any rule mechanically that would prevent a character who had both a bite and a head/horn related attack from using both within a full attack?

It seems silly, but I want to make sure it's permissible. Trying to build a PC based around using as many Natural Attacks as possible.

 

[delericho]

There's no rule against it. Bear in mind, however, that simply having a horn does not automatically give a gore attack, and having a mouth does not automatically give a bite attack. So you either need to find some base creature type that possesses both these (and I'm not aware of one), or you need to take something like Monk levels (for Flurry of Blows).

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

Thinking 1 level of Warshaper grants the ability to generate as many natural weapons as limbs will provide, just trying to find ways to make the most out of it. Thanks.

 

[delericho]

Ah, I see. It's been a very long time since I read "Complete Warrior", so I would need to check the specific text of the ability before I say any more.

However, at this point I'm going to refer you to your DM. The 3.5e rules for shapechanging magic are problematic at best, and open to very significant abuse at worst. That being the case, how much use you get out of the ability will depend on just how your DM reads it. And I should warn you: my advice to DMs regarding abilities of this sort is generally to read them in as conservative a manner as possible.

 

[Cleon]

Is there any rule mechanically that would prevent a character who had both a bite and a head/horn related attack from using both within a full attack?

The rules definitely permit it, and there are creatures (e.g. the SRD Gargoyle) that can use both a gore and a bite in a full attack despite only being roughly man-shaped.

Monsters with multiple heads like the Chimera presumably need fewer contortions in combat to do so though...

 

[nijineko]

you don't need flurry to do so.

and yes, if you have the actual natural attacks, you can do both on a natural attack routine / full attack action.

 

[Jackinthegreen]

The rule on natural attacks is if it doesn't say you can't do it, you probably can.

I've been trying to fish up the line I thought I read where a certain creature couldn't make a bite attack and tail attack in the same full action, but I haven't found anything saying that can't happen.

 

[RUMBLETiGER]

The rule on natural attacks is if it doesn't say you can't do it, you probably can.

I've been trying to fish up the line I thought I read where a certain creature couldn't make a bite attack and tail attack in the same full action, but I haven't found anything saying that can't happen.

I came across the Gorebrute Shifter text, which specifically says the horns can only be used in a charge, and not in conjunction with other attacks. I think I had this specific attack's text in the back of my memory as some rule against combining head attacks with other attacks, but I realize now this is a very specific exception. I think you're line about you probably can if they don't say you can't is valid.

Thanks all!

 

[Larkas]

and yes, if you have the actual natural attacks, you can do both on a natural attack routine / full attack action.

I find it very hard to wrap my head around something like "two attacks with my main hand, one with my off hand and one with each of my claws". I mean, come on! How are you going to attack with both your claws without letting your weapons fall to the ground?!? It apparently is possible, though.

 

[delericho]

I find it very hard to wrap my head around something like "two attacks with my main hand, one with my off hand and one with each of my claws". I mean, come on! How are you going to attack with both your claws without letting your weapons fall to the ground?!? It apparently is possible, though.

Can you provide a cite for that? Because the only creature I was able to find that combined natural and manufactured attacks into a single routine was the Werewolf Lord, and he explicitly gives up his 2 claw attacks in favour of a bastard sword attack.