Neat Historical Artifacts for a game

Canis said:
There was a countess in Slovakia named Elisabeth Barthory-Nadasdy. She used to bathe in the blood of young peasant women (preferably virgins if I remember the story correctly) thinking that it would keep her young. She committed other atrocities as well. Sort of a female Vlad the Impaler in many ways.


Or possibly she lost her temper with a clumsy servant, whipped her with the laces from a bodice until she drew blood, and then ordered the girl to be locked in the cellar for the night. The cellar was unheated and the girl died of cold.

Later, Elisabeth's husband Stephen was killed in fighting over the Polish crown, and since she had no male protectors she was a ripe target for informers. Her enemies accused her of witchcraft and made outrageous accusations, hoping to split her lands 50:50 with the Inquisition. But Elisabeth's nephew showed up, the case was actually heard, and no evidence could be adduced for any of the accusations except for the murder of the clumsy servant. This was not subject to the jurisdiction of the Inquisition, so Elisabeth's lands were not forfeit, and her nephew won the resulting fighting for possession of them.

Just another possibility.

Regards,


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DiamondB said:
Charlamange's Sword

According to tradition Charlemagne's sword was called Joyeuse.

DiamondB said:
Roland's (one of Charlamange's Knights) Sword

Durendal in French, Durindana in Italian.

While we are a it, the sword of the Volsungs (Sigmund/Siegmund and Sigurd/Siegfried) was Gram, and the sacred state sword of the King of England is Curtana. There aer also some relic-status named swords associated withteh Japanese Imperial family. Google "Grass-cutting sword".

What about Drake's drum?

Dr Dee's crystal?

Perhaps the Vatican has some alchemical artifacts made by Roger Bacon. (I ran a campaign on this premise once.)

Regards,


Agback
 
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olethros said:
The vorpal sword of Beowulf

Beowulf used two swords, both of which were destroyed. The first broke fighting Grendel or his mother. The second, found in Grendel's mother's lair, was eaten away to nothing by the corrosive blood of the dragon.

Regards,


Agback
 

daTim said:
Sea Scrolls - The original documents that eventually became the bible as we know it today. Most were written in 200BC to 400 AD, and contain the "original" texts as written by the people from the christian bible.

I believe that you are mistaken about the Dead Sea Scrolls. The scrolls were produced by a monastic sect taht happened to have hid copies in jars in a cave at some point. Records fron Josephus and Pliny seem to indicate that this sect was called the Essenes, and according to Josephus, it was the third most significant philosophical sect ot second-temple Judaism after the Pharasees and the Saducees (both discussed often in the Chriatian Bible). The Essenes seem to have been led by members of the origional high priestly line (descended from Aaron), who lost power when the Macabees drove out the Greeks, and instituted a single ruler who was both secular rular and high priest. The guy who would otherwise have been high priest took his followers into the countryside and developed a reactionary sect with gnostic tendancies. The monestary was eventually destroyed by the Romans in the 100s, I believe.

Found among the scrolls were copies of most books in the Hebrew Bible, which was pretty much finalized by about 500BC. The assertion that they had anytihng to do with the Christian bible is, to my knowldge, false, especially since A) they were not Christian, and B) the Christian Bible was written in Quinine Greek, a sailors language not known to people in that region. (One prominent scholar insists that Jesus came from the Essenes, but the evidence and the concensus wieghs powerfully against him.)

Thus, the importance of the scrolls is not that they served as the basis for the Bible, but that in many cases they are the oldest intact copies of many parts of it.
 

Agback said:
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Just another possibility.
And most likely the truth. But it's not what they tell tourists, so I expect I can be forgiven for ignorance here? I didn't expect a requirement for historical veracity in a thread containing the weaponry of mythological figures, after all.
 

G'day

What about Nikolai Tesla's death ray? Or his broadcast power setup? The invisibility device tested on USS Eldridge? Lee Harvey Oswald's wonderful bullets that can turnin mid-air and hesitate between coming out of one person and going into another?

By the way: isn't it interesting that we D&D players auromatically attribute Gandhi's dilomatic achievements to his walking stick rather than to his attributes and skills, or FD Roosevelt's leadership and foresight to his monocle? It says something....

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Agback
 

Dinkeldog said:
Tonguez, that's also called the Stone of Destiny.

The gun that Hitler used to kill himself.

Abraham Lincoln's hat

Ulysses Grant's saddle or spurs

FDR's monocle


I'm surprised you didn't mention General Patton's twin ivory-handled colt pistols.

Also:

Jim Bowie's original Bowie knife.

Buffalo Bill's buffalo rifle.

MacArthur's corn-cob pipe and sunglasses.

Charles Darwin's original Origins of the Species manuscript (maybe it helps with polymorph spells? ;) )
 

bah . . . no disrespect to eurocentricism (it's here to last) but some stuff from other parts of the world . . .

(speaking from the birthplace and home city of Gandhi, btw)

Lord Shiva's bow: was so large, heavy, and massive that only another diety could string the solid gold bow. a king came into the possessition of said weapon and staged a contest. he who would be strong enough to string the bow, and use it to strike a target would be the man strong enough and powerful enough to forever protect his most beloved daughter. kings from all over the realms came to compete, and in their overconfidences they all failed but one, the avatar of another deity.

The (don't know the real word here) Sextant of the unknown archetect: the head archetect / engineer who constructed the Taj Mahal had such a device he used to make the completely white palace / mounment to a dead queen. after its' completion the king Shah Jahan had the archetect and every single worker who had even touched a stone to build the momument killed -- so that they would never again be able to have a part in the construction of any other structure which could rival its' beauty. somewhere the sextant which the engineer used lies unclaimed to the passage of time

The Thumb of the true student: in ancient times there was such a skilled man in the ways of war. from dilpomacy to hand to hand fighting. he was much sought out as a teacher to would be warriors, who would go to insane measures to please him. this great teacher was Dhronacharya. he was intrusted to teaching the ways of war to the 105 princes of the great kingdom. (not all from the same father or mothers, btw . . . but an extended family of royality) he had made a promise that one of them would be his best student, and that student would always be victorious in battle. one of those 105 students was truely worth of his teacher's praise, and he focused on making him the utlimate warrior. (though in reality politics came into play) there was a commoner who wished to be the best, and had traved from modern day indonesia alone to india as a boy (for the ancient kingdoms of india were that vast). he pleaded for Dhrona to teach him, but the teacher refused, stating that the Prince Arjuna would be the best, and that he would never ever instruct the boy. saddened, but resolute, the boy ran away into the forest, and constructed a shrine to Dhronacharya. For years he trained everyday, practicing the arts of war (sword fighting, archery, etc) infront of the shrine which he reveared over anything else -- such was his admiration of Dhronacharya. over the years word of this boys exploits grew, and of his abilities in the art of fighting, espectially archery. Dhrona was enranged, and he accosted the youth with Arjuna in tow. How dare he try to be the best? Dhrona confronted the youngman and asked him what was he doing. The boy, overcome with happiness at the sight of his teacher (in the flesh) dropped to bow to his teacher, touching his feet. Dhrona was not pleased, for he swore to never teach this boy, and swore that Arjuna would be the best. the boy said, "ask me for something master, for i have studied in your presense (meaning the shrine) for all the years and your inspiration has taught me much."

dhrona thought, and simply answered, "i am your teacher, and i have come for payment. i have taught you so much and asked for nothing. but i will today. if you are truely my student, and truely wish to please me, then cut off your thumb so that you can never be the best at archery (and other forms of combat)."

the boy without any hesitation did so.

The Parchment of Law: 1500 BC document which details all the known laws of the land, also known as the Laws of Manu. (a mix of the development of western thought regarding society and Aristottle with religious rights, like the bible)

The Edicts of King Asoka: 14 edicts etched in stone, and 7 main pillars scattered throughout his entire emipre detailing all sorts of wonderous things. (from the middle of nowhere in jungles to cities to harsh wastelands . . . ) can be a scavenger hunt for rival power groups (the PCs, another adventuring party, some bad guys . . .) to visit all of the main ones (21), there are countless minor ones (stone etchings and pillars written in the fantastic ancient script)

The Piri Reis Map: In 1929, a group of historians found an amazing map drawn on a gazelle skin. Research showed that it was a genuine document drawn in 1513 by Piri Reis, a famous admiral of the Turkish fleet in the sixteenth century. His passion was cartography. His high rank within the Turkish navy allowed him to have a privileged access to the Imperial Library of Constantinople. The Turkish admiral admits in a series of notes on the map that he compiled and copied the data from a large number of source maps, some of which dated back to the fourth century BC or earlier. The Piri Reis map shows the western coast of Africa, the eastern coast of South America, and the northern coast of Antarctica. The northern coastline of Antarctica is perfectly detailed. The most puzzling however is not so much how Piri Reis managed to draw such an accurate map of the Antarctic region 300 years before it was discovered, but that the map shows the coastline under the ice. Geological evidence confirms that the latest date Queen Maud Land could have been charted in an ice-free state is 4000 BC. The official science has been saying all along that the ice-cap which covers the Antarctic is million years old. The Piri Reis map shows that the northern part of that continent has been mapped before the ice did cover it. That should make think it has been mapped million years ago, but that's impossible since mankind did not exist at that time...

The Sun Stone: The original object is a 12 feet, massive stone slab, carved in the middle of the 15th century. Many renditions of it exist and have existed through the years and throughout Mexico. Historically, the Aztec name for the huge basaltic monolith is Cuauhxicalli Eagle Bowl, but it is universally known as the Aztec Calendar or Sun Stone. It was during the reign of the 6th Aztec monarch in 1479 that this stone was carved and dedicated to the principal Aztec deity: the sun. The stone has both mythological and astronomical significance. It weighs almost 25 tons, has a diameter of just under 12 feet, and a thickness of 3 feet. On December 17th, 1760 the stone was discovered, buried in the "Zocalo" (the main square) of Mexico City. The viceroy of New Spain at the time was don Joaquin de Monserrat, Marquis of Cruillas. fterwards it was embedded in the wall of the Western tower of the metropolitan Cathedral, where it remained until 1885. At that time it was transferred to the national Museum of Archaeology and History by order of the then President of the Republic, General Porfirio Diaz. I'm sure it can be used as some massive key to some crazy old divination temple complex for watching the stars . . .

there's alot of stuff that's interesting from ancient texts (be them mythology or reality).

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0932813127/worldmyster07-20/102-9130408-1143334

that's one thing linking flight to ancient india and atlantis. (fyi, atlantis, nope, not in the mediterrainan. not in the atlantic ocean as we now know it. (back then they didn't know about north america, so the atlantic ocean was all the oceans, no division between atlantic and pacifis) look at maps of the earth before the polar ice caps melted (hence the sinking of the island into the ocea), it is none other than the area inbetween south east asia to the philippines down to indonesia . . .)

other things to note: the arabs (or people who now live where the arabs live) and others in the grey area between the middle east, north africa and south asia had batteries. check for it on the web. not a magical artifact, but ancient tech for sure.

if you're going to include things like lincon's hat (man, how does that compare to something magical?) then you must most likely have to consider alot of asian stuff too. and not just asian stuff, but alot of non-eurocentric stuff. like, king khamemeah (sp?) spear, which he used to unite the hawaiian islands.

also of note is that gandhi also made his own clothes, and his own salt from the sea for his cooking (which of course got him arrested). his methods of non-violence was later used by Martin Luther King Jr.
 
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Can we please leave out stuff like FDR's monocle, or whatever? I doubt that's what the guy who started this thread was looking for. Yes, Lincoln wore a hat. But that doesn't mean he derived some kind of power from it. Have there ever been legends regarding the power of Lincolns hat? :rolleyes:

bah . . . no disrespect to eurocentricism (it's here to last) but some stuff from other parts of the world . . .

It's not as if people purposefully disregarded stuff from other parts of the world. But in case you've failed to notice, the vast majority of people here ARE descendants of Europe. Generally speaking, you're familiar with the stories of your culture. How many people in India know anything about Beowulf? Or Merlin and King Arthur? Or Chu Cullain? How many Japanese people know about the same subjects? Not many from either side, because they didn't grow up with those stories in their culture. Likewise, how many people here do you really think know about King Khamemeah, or whoever?

So if there's a lot of "Eurocentricism" on these boards, that's no surprise. Chances are, there's a Japanese RPG forum out there where someone's asking a similar question, about historical artifacts for a game, and people are listing almost nothing but mythological items from Japanese myths. Probably someone there, too, who's also complaining about the "Japanocentricism" going on in the thread. ;)
 

Green Knight said:
Can we please leave out stuff like FDR's monocle, or whatever? I doubt that's what the guy who started this thread was looking for. Yes, Lincoln wore a hat. But that doesn't mean he derived some kind of power from it. Have there ever been legends regarding the power of Lincolns hat? :rolleyes:

I'm not sure how it hurts for those things to be listed. This is an idea thread, after all.

Actually, there is a bit of a story about Lincoln's hat. He was touring one of the southern cities before the city was entirely secure (I'm having brainlock trying to remember which city - someone will come along to provide the details). A Confederate sniper recognized him from his hat, but did not take the shot; apparently, the office of the Presidency was great enough to engender respect even in opposing combatants. Plus, Lincoln's hat is a very famous part of his look. The thing about artifacts is that they attained their reputations for being powerful due to who used them. Legends hold that many of these items actually gain power due to such associations; the Holy Grail is a great example. Perhaps Lincoln's hat still resonates with some of Lincoln's gravitas, granting the one who wears it clarity of thought and courage of action.
 

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