Well I never said that Waterdeep had 200,000 people or 1.8 million in the surrounding are nor did I claim that a square mile would feed 500 or so. What I was claiming, (though I may not have made clear), is that source books that I have read does not describe the area I covered as controlled by Waterdeep, not is it secure or well settled, from memory of the 3rd edition FR guide book and from the description of travel in the Dessarin valley as described in Princes of the Apocalypse.Well if there is 200 K people in waterdeep, and 1.8 more million in the area, it seems pretty settled to me.
Also, I took your geographic instruction and made a rough rectangle of land using a map that calculates distances in FR. I was able to draw a rough rectangle and calculate that the area you depict is roughly 55 000 square miles. based on our previous discussion, where 1 square mile can support 500 people with some magical assistance, that's enough land to support 27 million!
Now, of course the land is not that settled, lots of mountains, moors and such, so as a result we don't have 27 million people living there.
Your defense of modern maps was to talk about how Ed Greenwood made them when he was 16. So, if he had no creative control over them... why does it matter how old he was when he made them? He doesn't have any creative control over them and hasn't for decades according to you.
No. I don't know if you are reading what I've actually said or not. But any paraphrasing you are doing regrading my positions and statements is certainly absolutely wrong and inaccurate.Sure, but you didn't make that argument. You made the argument that we should be nice to Greenwood because he created the realms when he was 16, and challenged people if they thought they could do so well when they were 16.
I was making a joke about the intersection of Monty Python and D&D in geek humor.I'm pretty sure a quick google will get you 5E stats for that exact monster.
Oh yeah, I got the joke. I just also happen to know that 5E stats for the Holy Grail Rabbit are floating around on teh interwebs somewhere.I was making a joke about the intersection of Monty Python and D&D in geek humor.
I mean, with all the "Gotcha!" monsters in the game, you'd think the early designers would have jumped at a man-killing rabbit. The closest I can come up with is the Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing.
Sorry, but, I don't speak Old English and neither do you. When I said town vs village depends on population, I was referring in the language that we are conversing, not some thousand year old definition that doesn't apply anymore and hasn't applied in centuries.In England, "city" status was something granted by the crown and tied to having a Cathedral.
Town Definition and Example
Town comes from an Old English word that referred to a walled or fenced place, such as a farm, village, or courtyard.
A village is a small community in a rural area. A town is a populated area with fixed boundaries and a local government. A city…www.grammarly.com
So, in English, calling large villages "Town"s comes from "a walled village".
Before you disagree with someone about the origin of words, you might want to google "origin of town". It wasn't hard to find.
In the modern day, Town and Village are defined by population in most spots. So is City. But the origin of the terms in English are not the same as how they are used today.
Not anymore. That 2 million number is no longer true.Rome had 1 million people who were kept fed by Egypt and the entire north African coast, thanks to the Roman Empire having complete control over them.
And Waterdeep has 2 million inhabitants.
No. I don't know if you are reading what I've actually said or not. But any paraphrasing you are doing regrading my positions and statements is certainly absolutely wrong and inaccurate.
I did not say or imply:
- That Ed made the maps when he was 16.
- Nor did I say that he currently has no creative control.
- Or that we should be nice to Ed.
- Nor that I challenged if anyone 16 could do better today.
I don't know if you are just hung up on what you think the discussion is, or if you are not discussing with intellectual honesty or not. But it doesn't matter. No one else appears interested in the discussion and I am no longer interested in discussing it with you.
The Forgotten Realms was created by an 8 year old American boy. At least that is when Ed wrote his first stories of it. He created the D&D setting at age 16 in 1975.
I think perhaps you give anyone too much credit for being able to produce a viable world that accounted for agriculture, commerce, etc at that age and in those years prior to the internet and the mass availability of knowledge that would allow such today. I know its fun to poke at Americans, but really, I don't think what you want could have been done by any child the world over in those years.
(And no, I'm not a fan of the Realms, but I do often run games set there because it is readily available and good enough setting for the feel that interests me.)
Sorry, but, I don't speak Old English and neither do you. When I said town vs village depends on population, I was referring in the language that we are conversing, not some thousand year old definition that doesn't apply anymore and hasn't applied in centuries.