Need WOTC Offical to deal with the half-elf pregen/Keep of Shadowfell before release.

[Sir_Darien]

The fact that the DDXP character had a wizard daily as an at-will power doesn't mean all half-elves will. Since the feats each character had was not expressly listed anywhere on the sheet Tira could have just taken the wizard multiclass feat. This may mean that half-elves just get a bonus feat (perhaps restricted to a muticlass feat??) at first level.

That means the pregen out of the module just picked a crappy feat. This can be easily fixed by you and your players.

Boy it would really help if someone just posted the half-elf pregen so we could all see

EDIT: Grammar.....bad!

 

[cdrcjsn]

Finally, to make it clear, what I was saying is the KotS half-elf cleric has a full two sheets (it is not like the paper is blank, it is chalk full) BUT, the only racial ability other than the stat and skill boons all races get, the ONLY racial feature is the +1 dip at 10 ft.

Thus I am concerned about it for one of two reasons:
1) Half-elves are just horridly pitiful, even worse then 3.5 races and not even close to any other race in 4th.
OR
2) The pregen has none of the cool components of the Half-Elf, gimping the character in comparison to the other characters in KoTS.

Just curious, but can you list the class powers of the half-elf?

 

[pukunui]

Boy it would really help if someone just posted the half-elf pregen so we could all see

Ditto!

 

[jeffhartsell]

Boy it would really help if someone just posted the half-elf pregen so we could all see

QFT. We don't need a scan, just enough to get the overview. I'm curious to know if there is simply errata needed or if WOTC made design changes after DDXP.

 

[Kitirat]

I'll hit the store tomorrow and pull down all the stats for everyone. I remember he had 2 at wills, 1 encounter, 1 daily the 2 healing words and the divine stuff (turn undead and the other one + the one he got from his single feat).

i.e. all the standard stuff.

 

[Fiendish Dire Weasel]

Some of you are missing the point here. People aren't screaming that half-elves have been nerfed, we're saying "Something is wrong with this character". The options are:
A) The Half-Elves have universally been gimped (unlikely)
B) The character sheet is wrong (likely).

Going over and over the sheet I cannot find anything that covers the half-elf racials, especially considering all the other character's racials are spelled out on their sheet. The sources of each ability is quite clear.

 

[FabioMilitoPagliara]

I read (in the other thread) that the Half-elf got the arcana skill this could be an use of the multiclass feat but is missing some other power

unless he got some minor power as an encounter (say light/mage hand or whatever)

so which power has the cleric?

 

[Kitirat]

Some of you are missing the point here. People aren't screaming that half-elves have been nerfed, we're saying "Something is wrong with this character". The options are:
A) The Half-Elves have universally been gimped (unlikely)
B) The character sheet is wrong (likely).

Going over and over the sheet I cannot find anything that covers the half-elf racials, especially considering all the other character's racials are spelled out on their sheet. The sources of each ability is quite clear.

This was the point of my original post (Along with starting a study on which avian group players most commonly spout the name of during play).

 

[Fiendish Dire Weasel]

I read (in the other thread) that the Half-elf got the arcana skill this could be an use of the multiclass feat but is missing some other power

unless he got some minor power as an encounter (say light/mage hand or whatever)

so which power has the cleric?

He has 2 Cleric at-wills, 1 Cleric encounter and 1 Cleric daily, Healing Word and 3 Channel Divinity abilities (the 2 we've seen before an one from a feat, just like the DDXP Cleric). At level 2 he adds 1 Cleric utility and at level 3 he adds 1 Cleric encounter. There are NO extra powers on his sheet.

Everything adds up to what the DDXP Cleric has.

The KotS human specifies that they get an extra feat, skill, at-will power and the +1 defenses. All the other classes have all bonuses specifically spelled out on the sheet except ability score modifiers and vision. The half-elf lists two abilities here: +1 Group Diplomacy, and the skill bonuses (+2 Diplomacy +2 Insight).

I am almost certain this is a problem with the sheet/character rather than half-elves in general. But there IS a problem.

 

[jeffhartsell]

It is a bummer that errata is likely needed for KotS for the half-elf. I'm curious to know what the change needs to be. Either an additional encounter power from a different at-will list and/or another class ability from a different class.

Can any of the playtesters confirm, without violating the NDA, that there appears to be an issue with the half-elf as decribed by folks in this thread?