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[dave2008]

Which two of the three are in Planescape? curious If Planescape's monster book was being sold separately instead of being sold with the other two books as a threesome, I would have gotten it because I like monster books.

Planescape has Archons (Hound, Lantern, & Warden) and Guardinals (Avoral, Equinal, & Musteval).

Also, MotM has Eladrin (Autumn, Spring, Summer, & Winter), but I don't think the are the traditional Eladrin (not sure because I am not familiar with them).

 

[Corinnguard]

Planescape has Archons (Hound, Lantern, & Warden) and Guardinals (Avoral, Equinal, & Musteval).

Also, MotM has Eladrin (Autumn, Spring, Summer, & Winter), but I don't think the are the traditional Eladrin (not sure because I am not familiar with them).

According to the Forgotten Realms Wiki, there are four different kinds of Eladrin.

• Fey eladrin, elven inhabitants of the Feywild,
• High elves, or "common" eladrin,
• Noble eladrin, powerful elf-like fey, and
• Celestial eladrin, a race of elf-like celestials

Back in 3e, the Celestial Eladrin were celestials who were natives of Arborea.

Celestial eladrin

Celestial eladrin (pl: eladrin or: eladrins) were fey[7] celestials native to Arborea,[2] primarily in Arvandor,[3][4] although their faerie court was located in the Gates of the Moon.[5][4] Unlike the celestials of other planes, the eladrin did not serve the gods in dominion of the planes...

forgottenrealms.fandom.com

 

[dave2008]

According to the Forgotten Realms Wiki, there are four different kinds of Eladrin.

• Fey eladrin, elven inhabitants of the Feywild,
• High elves, or "common" eladrin,
• Noble eladrin, powerful elf-like fey, and
• Celestial eladrin, a race of elf-like celestials

Back in 3e, the Celestial Eladrin were celestials who were natives of Arborea.

Celestial eladrin

Celestial eladrin (pl: eladrin or: eladrins) were fey[7] celestials native to Arborea,[2] primarily in Arvandor,[3][4] although their faerie court was located in the Gates of the Moon.[5][4] Unlike the celestials of other planes, the eladrin did not serve the gods in dominion of the planes...

forgottenrealms.fandom.com

Those different Eladrin seem to be different definitions used with each edition. A little research gives me:

• Fey eladrin = 5e eladrin
• High Elves = not sure where this lore is from, seems similar to nobel eladrin
• Nobel eladrin = 4e eladrin
• Celestial eladrin = 2e eladrin (planescape), probably 3e too

 

[Weiley31]

Obviously it doesn’t just mean that’s a big bird, because a big bird wouldn’t be able to talk.

 

[Corinnguard]

High Elves = not sure where this lore is from, seems similar to nobel eladrin

It might have something to do with the location of their cities.

From the Forgotten Realms Wiki:

High elven society long straddled the boundary between the Prime Material Plane and Faerie. High elven cities were magnificent marvels of elegant architecture made of wondrous towers and structures that blended seamlessly into places of natural beauty. Many high elven cities were found in locations where the border between the Prime and the Feywild was particularly thin—isolated mountain vales, green islands, storm-wracked coasts, and the deepest reaches of ancient forests. Some high elven realms existed entirely in the Feywild, or at least partially so, most famously in the case of Evermeet. Many of these cities crossed over occasionally into the Prime before winking out of existence entirely.

 

[Weiley31]

I like the talking animal support for Celestials. Be cool to have different celestials for different godly realm.

Still upset there is no Valkyries and Einherjars. Nor D&Dified versions.

A war or death god chucking a bunch of reforged or revived celestial warriors into a war to keep it going seems like a great adventure hook. And every time you kill the named one, they are flown back to be revived angrier and crazier.

writes that down

Well, I don't know if these help, but there are some Valkyrie stat blocks here and there for 5.

Valkyrie – 5th Edition SRD

Valkyrie – 5th Edition SRD

The new MM Empyrean could also get refluffed as higher ranked one.

Einherjar – 5th Edition SRD

 

[Weiley31]

Btw @Henadic Theologian, there is a 3pp for 5e that has a several PC playable versions of the Archons. In Caliya's Chronicle of Runes, there is a group of archons known as the Unbound Archons. These are Archons who, after centuries of service, retired and gave up their divinity to live among the material plane species. There are PC versions of the Hound, Stag, Trumpet and Ursa (formerly known as the Warden Archons) Archons. There are several more, but I can't remember what they were. The book is still in the playtesting phase and ought to be coming out this year.

As a backer, I like that book a lot.

 

[Corinnguard]

As a backer, I like that book a lot.

I also backed this book.

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

High Elves = not sure where this lore is from, seems similar to nobel eladrin

4e lore.

All "high elf" subraces got consolidated into the new eladrin PC race, defining them by a stronger connection to the Feywild - part of the same cosmological overhaul that saw the celestial eladrin of Arborea moved to the Feywild, essentially as the PC eladrin's older, more powerful kin - while the baseline elf represented all of the "wood elf" variants and linked them more strongly with the Material plane.

They rolled back the more pronounced "high elf/wood elf" split in 5e, but the idea of eladrin as the elf's more explicitly fey cousin managed to stick.

 

[Minigiant]

Well, I don't know if these help, but there are some Valkyrie stat blocks here and there for 5.

Valkyrie – 5th Edition SRD

Valkyrie – 5th Edition SRD

The new MM Empyrean could also get refluffed as higher ranked one.

Einherjar – 5th Edition SRD

I saw them. They are okay but don't fit what I'd want/expect plus use outdated math and design.

For Einhejar, I'd want a warrior statblock that you could mass but be skilled at fighting in a group as well as being resistant to AOE. They are not fighting to survive. Either it's the end of the world or they are being revived tomorrow.

So Low AC High damage warrior shaped celestials with Pack Tactics and Indomitable who revive after battle.

Valkyries would be warrior women who can cast Find Steed and summon Einhejar or other celestial s. Like they'd be ferrying in more celestials every other turn. If someone isn't scream "SHOOT HER! STOP HER!", it's not right.