New D&D Adventure Reveal On 17th May at 'The Descent'

Perkins was talking about the 9 Hells...
 

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Parmandur

Legend
Pretty sure the angel figure is Zariel, especially given Tito's reaction on Twitter.

They focused rather heavily on Zariel's backstory in MToF, and the recent Lore You Should Know segment.

Since they finished the Ghosts of Saltmarsh previews in Lore You Should Know, they have covered the Rule of Three, Sigil, the Nine Hells and teased the Lady of pain. A pattern emerges...
 

Lidgar

Explorer
I also think it may be about Zariel's Fall/Descent. Some random thoughts based on what is in MToF:

1. From her description before her statblock entry: "...many whisper that her true agenda is vengeance against Asmodeus, and her true plan is to drive him from the Nine Hells." Sets up a possible plot device/motivation.

2. More: "...Zariel is keenly interested in collecting souls from the greatest warriors on the Material Plane and securing their loyalty...she allows her mortal followers to live out their lives, ever honing their talents, so she can put them to the best use when she finally calls in their debts. As a result, Zariel's servants are universally effective, disciplined, and dangerous." Sets up the potential for minions/antagonists that the PC's encounter at lower levels...

3. From her statblock: Immolating Gaze. Perhaps somehow this power is linked to her when she was an angel, and hence the blindfold?

Could all be for naught, but fun to speculate.
 

FitzTheRuke

Adventurer
I suspect we will have Into the Inferno (or some other name), starting with an FR-based adventure and ending as a delve into the Nine Hells.
 

The Glen

Adventurer
What modules are left in Greyhawk that involve the 9 Hells that they could easily convert to Forgotten Realms? That one would be the obvious choice.
 
I also think it may be about Zariel's Fall/Descent. Some random thoughts based on what is in MToF:

1. From her description before her statblock entry: "...many whisper that her true agenda is vengeance against Asmodeus, and her true plan is to drive him from the Nine Hells." Sets up a possible plot device/motivation.

2. More: "...Zariel is keenly interested in collecting souls from the greatest warriors on the Material Plane and securing their loyalty...she allows her mortal followers to live out their lives, ever honing their talents, so she can put them to the best use when she finally calls in their debts. As a result, Zariel's servants are universally effective, disciplined, and dangerous." Sets up the potential for minions/antagonists that the PC's encounter at lower levels...

3. From her statblock: Immolating Gaze. Perhaps somehow this power is linked to her when she was an angel, and hence the blindfold?

Could all be for naught, but fun to speculate.

Maybe in Realms mythology she was an angel in service to Tyr? Or we're reading to much into the Zariel thing, and it's another angel altogether who is dedicated to Tyr?

When it comes to blindfolds and divine powers, Tyr is the obvious match...
 
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FitzTheRuke

Adventurer
The lovely kate welch said that this upcoming campaign book is the largest so far
Largest? I hope that doesn't mean they'll break the $49.99 price point. They are already expensive enough! (Speaking as the owner of a FLGS who doesn't have the benefit of pricing that a certain online purveyor owned by the richest man in history gets to enjoy).

Edit: Come to think of it, I wonder if they'll split it in two, with one book the main thrust of the story leading up to it, and the other being the Nine Hells in all their glory. (Similar to how Waterdeep had Dragon Heist to get you started, and then Undermountain)

... though I would expect it to be backwards level-split-wise, with a level 1-15 first arc, and a 15-20 Nine Hells.

Makes sense, anyway.
 
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2. More: "...Zariel is keenly interested in collecting souls from the greatest warriors on the Material Plane and securing their loyalty...she allows her mortal followers to live out their lives, ever honing their talents, so she can put them to the best use when she finally calls in their debts. As a result, Zariel's servants are universally effective, disciplined, and dangerous." Sets up the potential for minions/antagonists that the PC's encounter at lower levels...
May be more interesting if the PCs are said followers, finally having their debts called in.
 

pukunui

Adventurer
Who or what is a Zariel?
A fallen angel who is currently one of the lords of the Nine Hells. I personally am not convinced the artwork is of Zariel in her angelic form. It looks too much like an angelic elf to me and nothing at all like the image of Zariel in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes (although it would make sense that her appearance would have changed when she went from angel to devil but still ...).
 

Parmandur

Legend
A fallen angel who is currently one of the lords of the Nine Hells. I personally am not convinced the artwork is of Zariel in her angelic form. It looks too much like an angelic elf to me and nothing at all like the image of Zariel in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes (although it would make sense that her appearance would have changed when she went from angel to devil but still ...).
The Angel is descending to eight outstretched arms, which is numerically suggestive of the fallen Angel Zariel becoming the Ninth Archdevil after her crusade into the Nine Hells.

Last week, mere days before this was announced, Perkins gave a rundown of the Nine Hells on Dragon Talk and for no discernable reason gave an extensive profile of Zariel, her personal history, her motivation, and her goals.

When [MENTION=6811472]GarrettKP[/MENTION] asked Greg Tito if this was Zariel, Tito got dodgy.

Pretty sure this is Zariel.
 

Parmandur

Legend
Who or what is a Zariel?
She is detailed in Mordenkainen's Tome of Foes, but if you don't have the book, this old preview provides good detail:

"Zariel represents the upper tier of the beings you’ll find involved with it. She’s the ruler of Avernus, the first layer of the Nine Hells. She is charged with protecting the planes where the river Styx runs through it and is in command of the armies of the Blood War. Zariel is also a fallen angel who became corrupted by the hellish influences of the lower planes."

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/05/dd-check-out-zariel-from-mordenkainens-tome-of-foes.html

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Parmandur

Legend
Perkins and Tito discussion on the Nine Hells, for some context:

[video=youtube_share;TGNVAManqDs]https://youtu.be/TGNVAManqDs[/video]
 

DMZ2112

Chaotic Looseleaf
The Angel is descending to eight outstretched arms, which is numerically suggestive of the fallen Angel Zariel becoming the Ninth Archdevil after her crusade into the Nine Hells.

Last week, mere days before this was announced, Perkins gave a rundown of the Nine Hells on Dragon Talk and for no discernable reason gave an extensive profile of Zariel, her personal history, her motivation, and her goals.

When @GarrettKP asked Greg Tito if this was Zariel, Tito got dodgy.

Pretty sure this is Zariel.
There are only seven arms in the smaller image, which seems like an odd change to make if the picture was numerologically significant. Note that the smaller image is not just a crop, it's a digital recomp.

And Tito didn't get 'dodgy' in response to Garrett's tweet, he got rude.

I'm as big a fan of speculation as the next geek when it is warranted, but this recent tendency to just create evidence wholesale where there is none makes me uncomfortable. We might be getting a planar setting book. There are certainly fiends and a celestial in this picture. Nathan Stewart says we're getting a setting book in 2019. But he also said WotC had no plans for new settings last year, less than a month before Ravnica was announced.

For my part, I'm not holding my breath for a Planescape logo. I was flabbergasted when we "got" Eberron after MToF, and WotC greenlighting Holly Conrad's Trapped in the Birdcage; and Ravnica after the number of times they said there'd be no new settings until the old ones were updated.

These folks are paid to say and do what generates hype, and murmurs of popular settings returning generate hype. Expecting honesty, even veiled honesty, is a fool's errand.
 
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Parmandur

Legend
There are only seven arms in the smaller image, which seems like an odd change to make if the picture was numerologically significant. Note that the smaller image is not just a crop, it's a digital recomp.

And Tito didn't get 'dodgy' in response to Garrett's tweet, he got rude.

I'm as big a fan of speculation as the next geek when it is warranted, but this recent tendency to just create evidence wholesale where there is none makes me uncomfortable. We might be getting a planar setting book. There are certainly fiends and a celestial in this picture. Nathan Stewart says we're getting a setting book in 2019. But he also said WotC had no plans for new settings last year, less than a month before Ravnica was announced.

For my part, I'm not holding my breath for a Planescape logo. I was flabbergasted when we "got" Eberron after MToF, and WotC greenlighting Holly Conrad's Trapped in the Birdcage; and Ravnica after the number of times they said there'd be no new settings until the old ones were updated.

These folks are paid to say and do what generates hype, and murmurs of popular settings returning generate hype. Expecting honesty, even veiled honesty, is a fool's errand.
Maybe the missing arm is significant: time will tell.

Tito's answer was suggestively avoiding the question: a little peeved someone figured it out within hours of the announcement is a likely explanation.

Ravnica us not a "new setting" in the way Stewart was talking about, a wholecloth from the ground up fresh start. It's an adaptation of an existing property.

I'm pretty sure Stewart keeps up the Spelljammer teases because he wants Spelljammer to be a thing, and getting people talking about it is playing the long game.
 

DMZ2112

Chaotic Looseleaf
Maybe the missing arm is significant: time will tell.
You are just making s**t up, now.

Ravnica us not a "new setting" in the way Stewart was talking about, a wholecloth from the ground up fresh start. It's an adaptation of an existing property.
This is not the first time I have heard this chestnut, and it is actually more disheartening to me that anyone finds it acceptable. If Stewart was using weasel words to this degree, it says something much darker about the marketing machine at WotC than even I want to believe. Ravnica is a new D&D setting. Full stop. Stewart either lied outright to maintain spin, or he is comfortable treating the fans like they are idiots. I pray it is the former.

I'm pretty sure Stewart keeps up the Spelljammer teases because he wants Spelljammer to be a thing, and getting people talking about it is playing the long game.
Yeah, well, I know he's a marketing guy doing marketing.
 

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