Dristram
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Forlorn said:
You could have at least picked a better one like this one
http://www.st-max.org/images/photos/RPFS01_tristan1b.jpg
NEW D&D Player's Guide info!
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You could have at least picked a better one like this one
http://www.st-max.org/images/photos/RPFS01_tristan1b.jpg
Particle_Man
Explorer
Xmas in April!
I am so glad that the Player's Guide will be out soon! I think that once players get their hands on it they will fall in love with Kalamar as much as dungeon masters have.
As for the D&D vs. d20 thing, speaking personally, I have encountered some pretty munchkin d20 crap, frankly. Either unbalanced or just not well thought out. By being D&D, one not only gets a stamp of approval, one gets what that means -- namely, a stronger guarantee that this stuff will NOT be unbalanced munchkin crap. Frankly, once you say you are D&D the bar is higher and I don't think I as a consumer am alone in being much more likely to buy D&D than "just" d20. That does not mean I will never buy d20 that is not also D&D, but given my limited bank account, I will be more likely to give D&D stuff the first look (and often, purchase) before turning to other d20 stuff.
So far Kalamar has impressed me as a game setting, and I do not expect to be disappointed with the Player's Guide. And this from someone who in an earlier incarnation wasn't seriously considering going beyond the original "core" 3 books!
I do not know the demographics, but I would be willing to bet that there are more people like me that will take Kalamar to be a prime purchase option, partially because it IS D&D, than there will be people that will not buy Kalamar because of some OGL worries. The Kalamar creators are taking that same bet, and I hope they win. Time will tell. So my vote is: Keep the D&D moniker!
Hack on!
I am so glad that the Player's Guide will be out soon! I think that once players get their hands on it they will fall in love with Kalamar as much as dungeon masters have.
As for the D&D vs. d20 thing, speaking personally, I have encountered some pretty munchkin d20 crap, frankly. Either unbalanced or just not well thought out. By being D&D, one not only gets a stamp of approval, one gets what that means -- namely, a stronger guarantee that this stuff will NOT be unbalanced munchkin crap. Frankly, once you say you are D&D the bar is higher and I don't think I as a consumer am alone in being much more likely to buy D&D than "just" d20. That does not mean I will never buy d20 that is not also D&D, but given my limited bank account, I will be more likely to give D&D stuff the first look (and often, purchase) before turning to other d20 stuff.
So far Kalamar has impressed me as a game setting, and I do not expect to be disappointed with the Player's Guide. And this from someone who in an earlier incarnation wasn't seriously considering going beyond the original "core" 3 books!
I do not know the demographics, but I would be willing to bet that there are more people like me that will take Kalamar to be a prime purchase option, partially because it IS D&D, than there will be people that will not buy Kalamar because of some OGL worries. The Kalamar creators are taking that same bet, and I hope they win. Time will tell. So my vote is: Keep the D&D moniker!
Hack on!
Arcane Runes Press
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I'll chime in on the side of Psion.
As a freelance writer and (really) new publisher, this statement in the ad for the Player's Guide ( Dragon 293 pg. 109) made me scowl a bit:
"The best part is that every word is OFFICIAL (emphasis their's) Dungeons & Dragons so I can use this book in my Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk campaigns as well. Bonus!"
It bothers me because it looks like a deliberate nose tweek to all the 3rd party publishers that don't have the direct licensing agreement. Not to mention the fact that it reads a bit presumptuous, as I know several DMs that won't even allow anything from FR or the various class books into their Greyhawk campaigns and vice versa.
There's other examples in the same ad:
"New official classes."
"New official prestige classes."
To me, it comes across as a direct attempt to diminish other d20 publisher's product in the eyes of consumers. Singing the praises of your own product is fine, but to me, this reads as an attack ad. From what I can tell, the KenzerCo. folk are nice people, so I mark this ad as an abberation, but it still bothers me.
As a freelance writer and (really) new publisher, this statement in the ad for the Player's Guide ( Dragon 293 pg. 109) made me scowl a bit:
"The best part is that every word is OFFICIAL (emphasis their's) Dungeons & Dragons so I can use this book in my Forgotten Realms and Greyhawk campaigns as well. Bonus!"
It bothers me because it looks like a deliberate nose tweek to all the 3rd party publishers that don't have the direct licensing agreement. Not to mention the fact that it reads a bit presumptuous, as I know several DMs that won't even allow anything from FR or the various class books into their Greyhawk campaigns and vice versa.
There's other examples in the same ad:
"New official classes."
"New official prestige classes."
To me, it comes across as a direct attempt to diminish other d20 publisher's product in the eyes of consumers. Singing the praises of your own product is fine, but to me, this reads as an attack ad. From what I can tell, the KenzerCo. folk are nice people, so I mark this ad as an abberation, but it still bothers me.
Berandor
lunatic
Well, I don't find it aggressive towards other publishers.
Yes, it's official and can be officially used in FR and GH campaigns (DMs notwithstanding). Yes, other publisher don't have that official status. Yes, Kenzer paid a lot of money to get that status. So why shouldn't they advertise it?
It's similar with the "official softdrink of the US hockey team". Why would Pepsi (or Coke,, or whoever) pay a lot of money to gain this status, and then don't advertise it?
That's what differentiates them from many d20 publishers who also put out very good products... and this difference can cause a difference in the decision to buy a product. So why shouldn't they say so?
IMO, Kenzer paid for it, so they can advertise it. I'm sure it's not meant to put other publishers down (there's no comparison in the ad), but to strengthen their own product line.
Berandor
Yes, it's official and can be officially used in FR and GH campaigns (DMs notwithstanding). Yes, other publisher don't have that official status. Yes, Kenzer paid a lot of money to get that status. So why shouldn't they advertise it?
It's similar with the "official softdrink of the US hockey team". Why would Pepsi (or Coke,, or whoever) pay a lot of money to gain this status, and then don't advertise it?
That's what differentiates them from many d20 publishers who also put out very good products... and this difference can cause a difference in the decision to buy a product. So why shouldn't they say so?
IMO, Kenzer paid for it, so they can advertise it. I'm sure it's not meant to put other publishers down (there's no comparison in the ad), but to strengthen their own product line.
Berandor
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