A devilishly spicy pad thaï?
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A devilishly spicy pad thaï?
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Nah. Those are just plain good. OP even.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I think the gish needs to be a thing without multiclassing. That's what the EK, Arcane Trickster and Bladesinger are for. A more seamless fusion of the classes.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I very clearly understood what you were saying. I’m saying that your experience is directly opposite of mine. Smiting makes up less than half of spell slot use of any Paladin I’ve seen IRL, and even every Paladin I’ve observed in an actual play casts actual spells.
Aldarc
Legend
I'm not particularly sure that having the eight traditions as eight separate subclasses really adds anything, especially since the spell choices tend to be the samey. While I once hated spell restrictions for traditions, I almost now would prefer it simply for seeing a greater variety of spell selection with wizards.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing
I mean, if you say so. I've been playing 5E for almost a decade and I've never seen a bard that wasn't a smarmy class clown with the vicious mockery cantrip and a rapier. So my perspective is going to be different.
R_J_K75
Legend
Just looked it up. Might work, I'll run it by the player
Blue
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
This is going to come across as an attack but it really isn't. If every experience you've had with a bard in your party is that, it sounds like you've never grouped up with a competent bard.
It's one of the strongest crowd control, action denial, and buffing classes. It is absolutely force multiplier when played well - it's when people don't understand that and try to play it like a force projector that it falls flat. It's one of the few classes to have a good supply of non-Concentration buffs in Bardic Inspiration, both the base usage (oh, your GWM and SS characters love it) and whatever their subclass brings. For example my halfling glamour bard does whole-group tactical repositioning with a side of tHP multiple times every battle.
Splitting off a third or more of foes with crowd control like Hypnotic Pattern. Be an off healer to stand up PCs so they don't lose actions waiting for the healer, or stand up that healer. Buff allies.
And yes, occasionally they are doing something directly, like a heat metal or animate object or polymorph. They can, but that's not what they do best.
People forget that if a character is up because foes lost their action or were debuffed, whatever they do is thanks to the bard. If the vengeance paladin lands a GWM strike due to bardic inspiration, that damage is only there because of the bard. Does the bard need them to do it? Sure, they're a multiplier and 0 x anything is still zero, leaving a bard to rely on their own meager to moderate to directly apply force. But when they are part of a team they make everyone shiny.
Blue
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
My first bard ever (AD&D 2nd) ended up becoming a harper and writing propaganda songs to sway hearts for them, he ended up marrying another PC, and even after getting widowed wasn't "that" bard. I've played a variety of bards, from the one who's performance was weapon drills (fancy sword spinning and such) who was more than a bit piratical but not "that bard" to my current halfling bard who's a silver-tongued herald and neither smarmy nor of high libido. He was described by one of the other players as "the most wholesome D&D character I've seen in a long time".
I hear you, a tired trope is a tired trope, and it's sad that people are not moving past it.
Bolares
Hero
I've created a pretty cool Wisdom based ranger beastmaster with tasha's. Got shillelagh from the cantrip fighting style and I was really fun! High wisdom on my damage and boosting the companion's stats.
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