New Game of Death: Battle Royale of the GAWDS
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reapersaurus
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you'll forgive me if I forget about Martok's Quest to not attack me, seeing as every round brings another obsessive attack coming Jade's way... 
(she's even just the cohort of my character.
You'd think he'd spent enough time on her after the Maze, the Forcecage, the 2 Enervations, and the Ray of Enfeeblement during the only rounds he could attack her...)
Good thing the crowd's with him, or those cheesy tactics might be punished by the Gawds.
Oh... wait.
That's right - the crowd's so hostile to him now, they openly jeer him.
clockwork - I've been meaning to ask - do _you_ want to play the crowd hostile to Martok, or do you want me to suggest what they might be saying in character?
And I'll rephrase my earlier question to clockwork -
What are the current ways that a player can be granted a boon from the Gawds?
A recap would be great...
Also - Victim - which cleric trick were you referring to?
And I don't see how finishing someone off after maneuvering successfully and using a neat tactic (Reach weapon expanding beyond your AMF) is a cheap shot.
Seems pretty "fair" (straight-up), comparatively.
(she's even just the cohort of my character.
You'd think he'd spent enough time on her after the Maze, the Forcecage, the 2 Enervations, and the Ray of Enfeeblement during the only rounds he could attack her...)
Good thing the crowd's with him, or those cheesy tactics might be punished by the Gawds.
Oh... wait.
That's right - the crowd's so hostile to him now, they openly jeer him.
clockwork - I've been meaning to ask - do _you_ want to play the crowd hostile to Martok, or do you want me to suggest what they might be saying in character?
And I'll rephrase my earlier question to clockwork -
What are the current ways that a player can be granted a boon from the Gawds?
A recap would be great...
Also - Victim - which cleric trick were you referring to?
And I don't see how finishing someone off after maneuvering successfully and using a neat tactic (Reach weapon expanding beyond your AMF) is a cheap shot.
Seems pretty "fair" (straight-up), comparatively.
Victim
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To use Norman Witherspoon parlance, a coup de grace on a magically held opponent would be rather unsportsman-like.
The cleric trick is to use all the various items in the DMG to boost one's clerical abilities far beyond the normal level. I developed it for the dungeon game of death, which was core only. A character in this game using it would have the spells of a 17th level cleric (cast gate without using an advantage), a 21 caster level for level dependent effects and SR checks, and a whole bunch of Maximized spells. Free metamagic is pretty good. While the trick works better at mid levels because the proportional gain is greater - the example in my smackdown uses level 9 - it's still a powerful trick at 15th level. Imagine how nasty the Blade Barrier would be at 120 damage.
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That was one nice move Hawkeye. Very clever. Shame I had to roll a natural one though.
The cleric trick is to use all the various items in the DMG to boost one's clerical abilities far beyond the normal level. I developed it for the dungeon game of death, which was core only. A character in this game using it would have the spells of a 17th level cleric (cast gate without using an advantage), a 21 caster level for level dependent effects and SR checks, and a whole bunch of Maximized spells. Free metamagic is pretty good. While the trick works better at mid levels because the proportional gain is greater - the example in my smackdown uses level 9 - it's still a powerful trick at 15th level. Imagine how nasty the Blade Barrier would be at 120 damage.
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That was one nice move Hawkeye. Very clever. Shame I had to roll a natural one though.
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reapersaurus
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OK.
Discussion time.
What do you all think of when Victim says "unsportsmanlike"?
Do you think there IS such a thing in a GoD, and if so, what would be some examples, or even vague descriptions of such behavior in your eyes?
Discussion time.
What do you all think of when Victim says "unsportsmanlike"?
Do you think there IS such a thing in a GoD, and if so, what would be some examples, or even vague descriptions of such behavior in your eyes?
clockworkjoe
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First, Jade is now prone on the ground, due to the sudden reduction in strength. She just fell over from the shock of it.
As for Jade's new movement due to reduced strength. Since her effective strength is now 1 and she is carrying far over a heavy load, she has two options:
A character can generally push or drag along the ground up to five times the maximum load.
1. Since this weight is on her body, she can drag the weight by crawling on the ground without further penalty. She can NOT walk upright with this weight on her body and use these rules. The weight is evenly distributed across her body and she is NOT pushing it or dragging it.
2. If she wants to stand up, she must first make a strength check of DC 10 to right herself, with a +2 circumstance bonus if she uses the forcecage to help herself up.
Then when she is standing she will use this rule:
And even this is being generous, since she is 4 times over her carrying capacity.
There is absolutely no way she can walk around with minor penalties when she is carrying 4 times her max capacity.
Otherwise she can act normally. She can use magic items, cast spells, and so forth. She can remove her armor via the normal rules for doing so while prone.
As for the crowd: Wowing the crowd is really a way of showing off, as you spending your precious actions in a dangerous game of death just pleasing them and not casting spells, attacking, or otherwise fighting. You gain bonus points for such brazen disregard of personal safety and so forth. However, the crowd will not physically affect the players in any way. It is possible to give morale penalties to other players by whipping the crowd into a frenzy against a particular player. It is not possible to whip the crowd into a frenzy with a single performance check obviously.
As for Jade's new movement due to reduced strength. Since her effective strength is now 1 and she is carrying far over a heavy load, she has two options:
A character can generally push or drag along the ground up to five times the maximum load.
1. Since this weight is on her body, she can drag the weight by crawling on the ground without further penalty. She can NOT walk upright with this weight on her body and use these rules. The weight is evenly distributed across her body and she is NOT pushing it or dragging it.
2. If she wants to stand up, she must first make a strength check of DC 10 to right herself, with a +2 circumstance bonus if she uses the forcecage to help herself up.
Then when she is standing she will use this rule:
And even this is being generous, since she is 4 times over her carrying capacity.
There is absolutely no way she can walk around with minor penalties when she is carrying 4 times her max capacity.
Otherwise she can act normally. She can use magic items, cast spells, and so forth. She can remove her armor via the normal rules for doing so while prone.
As for the crowd: Wowing the crowd is really a way of showing off, as you spending your precious actions in a dangerous game of death just pleasing them and not casting spells, attacking, or otherwise fighting. You gain bonus points for such brazen disregard of personal safety and so forth. However, the crowd will not physically affect the players in any way. It is possible to give morale penalties to other players by whipping the crowd into a frenzy against a particular player. It is not possible to whip the crowd into a frenzy with a single performance check obviously.
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clockworkjoe
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Oh and sepirorth: Activating a magic item is a standard action so I just removed the attack from your action.
reapersaurus
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WHAT??!!clockworkjoe said:
More House Rules?
In order:
Jade is on the ground because you are granting an additional effect to a 1st level spell than is written in the rules.
Because the weight is evenly distributed across her body is EXACTLY why she would not be affected.
There is no rules difference between "pushing or dragging" a weight, and using your whole body to pull it.
There's no way you'll allow me to not be penalized while having a character of mine pulling 4 times max weight (under the max by the rules).
Let's make that clear.
Pulling off armor takes a minute by the rules, BTW.
As for the crowd reaction:
This is getting ridiculous. I insist that you have the crowd do as their attitude requires.
I spent a precious action, and spent 8 character levels of Jade to be able to do what she did:
Greater Calumny, whipping the crowd into a frenzy, making them hostile towards Martok.
It was not a performance check, it was a supernatural, Virtuoso ability.
Why are you ignoring and blunting my character's actions, while magnifying and enhancing Martok's STILL?
What do you want from me, clockwork?
I held my tongue this entire post, and haven't insinuated anything - I stuck with the facts.
edit: pleasepleaseplease let people respond to the points and issues of THIS post, and not bring up a whirlwind of stuff - I don't have time, energy, patience, or will. Just let them comment (if at all) on the words in the post, not bringing their own personal feelings into it.
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Number47
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Wow. Here I was thinking clockworkjoe was being quite generous. You are clearly over the max load for the character. That isn't "quite a lot load", or "I could carry a bit more" load. It is the MAX load. You really should simply be pinned to the ground unable to do anything. Being allowed to stand, or crawl or cast spells is very very very generous. EDIT: Let me give an example. I may be strong enough to push a refrigerator across a floor. I am in no way strong enough to carry it, no matter how you distribute the weight on my body.
I can't comment on the other because I have absolutely no idea what Greater Calumny is. On the other hand, what is it you expect the crowd to do, exactly? What power does the audience hold in the gawds game of death? I suppose a bonus/penalty akin to the Fandom bonus could be worked out, but I would think it pretty minor unless, of course, the Greater Calumny makes it otherwise.
I can't comment on the other because I have absolutely no idea what Greater Calumny is. On the other hand, what is it you expect the crowd to do, exactly? What power does the audience hold in the gawds game of death? I suppose a bonus/penalty akin to the Fandom bonus could be worked out, but I would think it pretty minor unless, of course, the Greater Calumny makes it otherwise.
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Victim
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Umm, what exactly do you want the crowd to do? I'm assuming that the arena is kind of separated from the crowd. For example, Vraketh's cohort cast shield other on her when she was more than 25 ft from edge of the arena, IIRC. I don't think it works exactly like a normal stadium. Besides, if it were, the security guards would probably eject any fans that interfered. I can see something like Fandom penalties applied to Martok.
Isn't being prone a good thing anyway? With someone shooting rays at Jade, it might be better to stay on the ground anyway. I the cage, melee attacks will be a minor issue, and the -4 to enemy ranged attacks. Also, the weather might affect rays attacks too, since the beams could defract through rain drops. Those penalties could make further ray attacks near impossible.
I'd say that the weight effects are more the consequence of having 1 STR than a 1st level spell. Not only were saves and an RTA involved, but Jade had to have a poor strength too. I wouldn't complain about a 1st level spell forcing Jade to the ground when a 2nd level spell can render someone helpless with fewer defenses.
Isn't being prone a good thing anyway? With someone shooting rays at Jade, it might be better to stay on the ground anyway. I the cage, melee attacks will be a minor issue, and the -4 to enemy ranged attacks. Also, the weather might affect rays attacks too, since the beams could defract through rain drops. Those penalties could make further ray attacks near impossible.
I'd say that the weight effects are more the consequence of having 1 STR than a 1st level spell. Not only were saves and an RTA involved, but Jade had to have a poor strength too. I wouldn't complain about a 1st level spell forcing Jade to the ground when a 2nd level spell can render someone helpless with fewer defenses.
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