New Ghostbusters Afterlife trailer

payn

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At least they also give an "Audience Score." Not that it's any more accurate, as trolls can seriously screw over that rating, but it tends to indicate something if the two ratings are wildly dissimilar.
Its true, you can get good reads on where a film stands by the cross examination. Low critic score but high audience usually indicates a poorly executed film that has a lot of emotional investment by a dedicated fan base. Sometimes, that is appealing if I'm one of those fans. Either way, its good to know what type of experience I'm in for.
 

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Its true, you can get good reads on where a film stands by the cross examination. Low critic score but high audience usually indicates a poorly executed film that has a lot of emotional investment by a dedicated fan base. Sometimes, that is appealing if I'm one of those fans. Either way, its good to know what type of experience I'm in for.

Indeed, I actually find the interaction of the two useful, as I can divide the movies into quadrants. (Ninths if you count the middle of the range.) Artsy message movie? Cheesy popcorn fun? Overall well-done audience-pleaser? Just a bad movie? More info than just 'good and bad'.
 

GreyLord

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I normally trust audience scores FAR more than Critic scores.

A prime example is when the Mummy came out (decades ago). Critics razed it, gave it lower scores. Audiences LOVED it.

I enjoyed it tremendously...wondered what was wrong with the Critics.

Similar thoughts have popped up sometimes today, it seems the Critics are very, very, wrong in many instances. It amazes me how they can all agree on some movies where the audience absolutely does not agree with them (Especially when critics say something is terrible, but audiences absolutely love it). It just tells me that Critics tend to have terrible tastes compared to the general public...

:eek:
 

CleverNickName

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I treat critics and reviews as just another form of entertainment. They are just some rando's opinion, after all, and they usually don't match my own. They're fun to read (or watch; I follow a couple of reviewers on YouTube).

I'm dubious about audience ratings, though. For the most part they are pretty reliable, and I trust them more than I trust critics to match my own preferences and tastes. BUUUUUT. I've also seen the "mob rule" mentality really take over on certain movies and websites, and contaminate the audience rating pool. The more controversial the movie, the worse it seems to get (take the previous Ghostbusters move, for example.) So if a movie has thousands upon thousands of votes, all of them on opposing ends of the spectrum and within a week of each other...yeah, probably not going to put much stock in those audience ratings.
 

payn

Legend
Some folks are fine with a simple thumbs up or down. The context of the criticism matters to critics and aficionados more. Different strokes'...
 


Morrus

Well, that was fun
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I normally trust audience scores FAR more than Critic scores.

A prime example is when the Mummy came out (decades ago). Critics razed it, gave it lower scores. Audiences LOVED it.

I enjoyed it tremendously...wondered what was wrong with the Critics.

Similar thoughts have popped up sometimes today, it seems the Critics are very, very, wrong in many instances. It amazes me how they can all agree on some movies where the audience absolutely does not agree with them (Especially when critics say something is terrible, but audiences absolutely love it). It just tells me that Critics tend to have terrible tastes compared to the general public...

:eek:
I find it weird the way your refer to “Critics” with a capital C like they’re some kind of monolithic entity. I’ve very rarely seen a film where every critic agreed. Critics are like any other columnist — you find the ones you like, whose interests and tastes seem aligned with yours. Or not. But they aren’t some weird Borg collective with a single thoughtmind.
 

Argyle King

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I find it weird the way your refer to “Critics” with a capital C like they’re some kind of monolithic entity. I’ve very rarely seen a film where every critic agreed. Critics are like any other columnist — you find the ones you like, whose interests and tastes seem aligned with yours. Or not. But they aren’t some weird Borg collective with a single thoughtmind.

I believe that to be true.

However, here in the US, there are times when it appears to be true [that there is a hivemind] whenever certain actors and/or certain opinions on social/political issues are involved.

Even when it's an issue upon which I agree with the critics, it's difficult to not see bias when literally every critic review rates something "100%," yet the audience score sits at "26%."

 
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I believe that to be true.

However, here in the US, there are times when it appears to be true [that there is a hivemind] whenever certain actors and/or certain opinions on social/political issues are involved.

Even when it's an issue upon which I agree with the critics, it's difficult to not see bias when literally every critic review rates something "100%," yet the audience score sits at "26%."


A lot of the politically charged things get review-bombed (reviews submitted by people who haven't seen the thing in question but will submit a review for political reasons).
 

Ryujin

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I find it weird the way your refer to “Critics” with a capital C like they’re some kind of monolithic entity. I’ve very rarely seen a film where every critic agreed. Critics are like any other columnist — you find the ones you like, whose interests and tastes seem aligned with yours. Or not. But they aren’t some weird Borg collective with a single thoughtmind.
I found a different way of handling it. If critics seem to be universally panning a movie, I put it on my "must watch" list. I'm rarely disappointed.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
I normally trust audience scores FAR more than Critic scores.

A prime example is when the Mummy came out (decades ago). Critics razed it, gave it lower scores. Audiences LOVED it.

I enjoyed it tremendously...wondered what was wrong with the Critics.

Similar thoughts have popped up sometimes today, it seems the Critics are very, very, wrong in many instances. It amazes me how they can all agree on some movies where the audience absolutely does not agree with them (Especially when critics say something is terrible, but audiences absolutely love it). It just tells me that Critics tend to have terrible tastes compared to the general public...

:eek:

Earlier poster nah led it with highbrow and low brow movies.

Movies with high critic scores are for people who like champagne cocktails, kale salad, drive a Prius and own an iPhone.

Audience scores are for everyone else.
 

GreyLord

Legend
I find it weird the way your refer to “Critics” with a capital C like they’re some kind of monolithic entity. I’ve very rarely seen a film where every critic agreed. Critics are like any other columnist — you find the ones you like, whose interests and tastes seem aligned with yours. Or not. But they aren’t some weird Borg collective with a single thoughtmind.
Even the Mummy didn't have EVERY critic agree, but the overall critic's reviews put it lower on their scale at around a C rating, while audience reviews at the time (20 years ago) put it in the 90 percentile.

I think the cases I have the worst situations are where reviewers rate something as mediocre or bad while most of the rest of the people who watch it rate it as awesome or great! That's where we see a disconnect.

I do find it interesting that if you go ahead into the future, the reviewers seem to change their outlook or review of a movie that was universally loved by audiences to align more with audience views than what it was originally in some cases. (The Mummy didn't get this fate though, it got rated lower by audiences as time passed till now it is a 75% on Rotton Tomatoes...reviewers seem to keep the same score on that one. You can see even a bigger divide on metacritic, but general audience is still at 87% or thereabouts these days.)

I find similar things with Video games as well...soo...

Either way, I'm looking forward to the New Ghostbusters movie. It looks interesting at least.

(PS: Unpopular opinion as it is, I also enjoyed the last Ghostbusters movie that was made and actually have it on DVD on my shelf).
 


I do find it interesting that if you go ahead into the future, the reviewers seem to change their outlook or review of a movie that was universally loved by audiences to align more with audience views than what it was originally in some cases.
I see this quite often. Critics pan a movie, the audience praises it. Then it becomes a piece of highly praised movie history and they change their mind about it.

Good I suppose, that they change their mind. But why even pay attention to critic reviews if they can't recognize a piece of Hollywood history when they see it? Critics like Ciskel and Ebert panned Aliens because "it's about a child being put in danger", while everyone else can recognize it for one of the best sequels and action movies ever made. Then what use are film critic reviews?

Other great movies that got panned by critics:

Casablanca, The Wizard of Oz, Lawrence of Arabia, Ben-Hur, Predator, Home Alone, It's a Wonderful Life, The Shining, Psycho, The Excorcist, Halloween, Fight Club Jumanji, Starship Troopers, Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Forest Gump, Titanic, 2001 a Space Oddysey, Godfather part 2, Inception, Gladiator, Jaws, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, Apocalypse Now, Alien, The Shawshank Redemption, The Matrix, ET, The Sixth Sense, Black Swan, Reservoir Dogs, No Country for Old Men, Se7en.
 
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Zardnaar

Legend
I see this quite often. Critics pan a movie, the audience praises it. Then it becomes a piece of highly praised movie history and they change their mind about it.

Good I suppose, that they change their mind. But why even pay attention to critic reviews if they can't recognize a piece of Hollywood history when they see it? Critics like Ciskel and Ebert panned Aliens because "it's about a child being put in danger", while everyone else can recognize it for one of the best sequels and action movies ever made. Then what use are film critic reviews?

I explained it upthread. They're for people who like kale salad, drive a Prius, own an iPhone and like champagne cocktails.
 





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