New leak looks real bad

[eyeheartawk]

It's $30 for a quasi video game + what amounts to a digital magazine + who knows what else, this is the top tier, we don't know how much the lower tiers will cost.

I wouldn't get my hopes up for a lower priced tier containing anything useful (no homebrew, lol). This is the company that charges $1,000 for 4 packs for randomized cards that aren't even legal.

 

[Dausuul]

I'm... awfully skeptical, but it's interesting that the pricing in the rumor lines up with the supposed 'leaked D&DBeyond slide' from awhile back: link.

"Removing homebrew from free users eliminates paid content piracy."

Wizards will shortly be receiving a C&D from a bunch of record companies back in 2005, for ripping off their patented "screw your customers and yourself" business model.

 

[eyeheartawk]

"Removing homebrew from free users eliminates paid content piracy."

Wizards will shortly be receiving a C&D from a bunch of record companies back in 2005, for ripping off their patented "screw your customers and yourself" business model.

They never learn.

Just like removing my legally purchased PDFs from my DTRPG library put a stop to all illegal D&D PDFs.

 

[ersatzphil]

"Removing homebrew from free users eliminates paid content piracy."

Wizards will shortly be receiving a C&D from a bunch of record companies back in 2005, for ripping off their patented "screw your customers and yourself" business model.

I mean, assuming this is all true, which I remain skeptical of - they’ve essentially reinvented Zork. Turning D&D into a MMO feels silly, as… we already have MMOs.

 

[Dausuul]

I mean, assuming this is all true, which I remain skeptical of - they’ve essentially reinvented Zork. Turning D&D into a MMO feels silly, as… we already have MMOs.

At this point I assume all leaks are true until proven otherwise. This whole debacle has been a stream of "Pfft, that's gotta be fake, nobody could be that dumb," only to find out later that... yes, they really could.

 

[Jd Smith1]

$30 a year is small change.

I pay a lot more for Roll20.

 

[Stalker0]

Ok all, I get it, we are all on the WOTC = evil train right now, but if your going to listen to the leaks, you have to take them at full value.

The leak said this is the HIGHEST TIER, and includes monthly content drops. So....that's a wait and see, what do other structures look like, is there a free version, is the $30 per month just glistening with content....we simply do not know.

Lets be clear, in the age of streaming, OF COURSE WOTC is going to try to setup more monthly subscription money, they would be IDIOTS not to. That is where the corporate bread is buttered nowadays, and it potentially frees them from the cycle of endless editions in order to sell books. So if your getting mad at them for that....sorry but your living in the past.

Ultimately the devil will be in the details. If they offer you several reasonable options and people choose a lesser one, great. Maybe the $30 option will be amazing, and worth the money....maybe it won't (in which case, of course don't buy it). But to say the meer idea of this is rotten at the core....sorry that is completely jumping the gun.

 

[mamba]

It's $30 for a quasi video game + what amounts to a digital magazine + who knows what else

precisely, not worth it

this is the top tier, we don't know how much the lower tiers will cost.

given the top tier, the safe bet seems to be ‘too much for what it offers’

 

[eyeheartawk]

$30 a year is small change.

I pay a lot more for Roll20.

It's per month, per player.

 

[Clint_L]

It would depend on what I got for $30/month. I currently spend a lot more than that on D&D, so does that include a fully stocked VTT, for example, which might tempt me to spend less on miniatures and terrain ($30/month is nothing compared to what I spend in that department)? In any event, $30/month is a lot less than I currently spend on various entertainment each month. So I would appraise what was on offer (digital magazine? No thanks) and make my purchase accordingly, like I do for everything else.

But out of context, $30/month doesn't mean anything.

 

[mamba]

Do the monthly content drops at the $30 per month tier count as "Surprise Mechanics"?

no, the price itself does though

 

[Clint_L]

It's per month, per player.

You don't know that. For example, my DnDBeyond Master Tier subscription is insanely good value. At $7/month I can share access to all the materials with all my players, and I run four campaigns right now, plus sponsor two more through D&D Club, so that is almost 30 players getting access to a ton of material for my $7/month. So I pay $7/month and they all have free accounts. How do you know $30/month isn't the same thing but for the VTT?

Context is everything. I can't assess any number without seeing exactly what the offer is.

 

[tetrasodium]

So are we going back to monthly book releases or did someone say "hey what's WoW cost? Maybe double that?"

 

[Mercurius]

Consider how this could add up for WotC:

100,000 full subscribers: $36 million per year.
250,000 full subscribers: $90 million per year.
500,000 full subscribers: $180 million per year.
1,000,000 full subscribers: $360 million per year.
5,000,000 full subscribers: $1.8 billion per year.

If five million seems far-fetched, remember that's still only 10% of the current total player base (according to estimates from a year or so ago).

 

[ersatzphil]

At this point I assume all leaks are true until proven otherwise. This whole debacle has been a stream of "Pfft, that's gotta be fake, nobody could be that dumb," only to find out later that... yes, they really could.

I suppose trying to kill the OGL makes more sense if we assume this is all true - after all, it's the kind of scheme that would only work if they literally have zero competition.

 

[TerraDave]

$360 per player per year?

I have not said it until now, but holy cow!

 

[Haplo781]

This is a good time to remember social media personalities & assorted YouTubers are frequently businesses that make money from controversy.

Also a good time to remember that DnD Shorts has been 100% accurate so far when it comes to D&Done/OGL leaks.

 

[eyeheartawk]

You don't know that. For example, my DnDBeyond Master Tier subscription is insanely good value. At $7/month I can share access to all the materials with all my players, and I run four campaigns right now, plus sponsor two more through D&D Club, so that is almost 30 players getting access to a ton of material for my $7/month. So I pay $7/month and they all have free accounts. How do you know $30/month isn't the same thing but for the VTT?

Context is everything. I can't assess any number without seeing exactly what the offer is.

I'm just speaking to the leak. Some were mistaken on the figures.

As to the current value?

Sure. But don't expect that to continue into the future given the way things have been trending.

 

[Olgar Shiverstone]

Geez, and I thought playing GW games was the equivalent of being in an abusive relationship.

Man, I'm loving Free League, Kobold, and Paizo right now.

 

[mamba]

Consider how this could add up for WotC:

100,000 full subscribers: $36 million per year.
250,000 full subscribers: $90 million per year.
500,000 full subscribers: $180 million per year.
1,000,000 full subscribers: $360 million per year.
5,000,000 full subscribers: $1.08 billion per year.

If five million seems far-fetched, remember that's still only 10% of the current total player base (according to estimates from a year or so ago).

are we just making up numbers for subscribers here, or are these supposed to be realistic? Because I doubt anything past the first two is, not even sure about the second