New planes?

[Nightmare Toilet]

What new or radically different planes will there be or would you like in 4E?

I like the conceptual planes idea.

I also think that the plane of mirror has enough to allow it to be included.
That would also give rise to a cool class like a rogue sorcerer type that uses mirrors, lots of other ideas, too.

elemental plane of sewage. portals can be deep in the sewers or special comodes.
(ah, to have a copromancer in your party, yes....)

Plane of graves, graveyard plane with portal capability in a graveyard.

Ravenloft horror planes as available all over.

etc.

edit: and think of the kinds of monsters and hybrids you could get! Mirror Vampire, Sewer Nymph, Turd Vampire, Mirror Dragon, etc., and new spells, too.

 

[Lackhand]

What new or radically different planes will there be or would you like in 4E?
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elemental plane of sewage. portals can be deep in the sewers or special comodes.
(ah, to have a copromancer in your party, yes....)

Plane of graves, graveyard plane with portal capability in a graveyard.

Ravenloft horror planes as available all over.

etc.

Plane of sewage? Seems wasteful. Do you think the multiverse is so flush with planes it can waste one on that sort of pipe-dream?

I think the Plane of Graves and Ravenloft have just combined into my take on the Shadowfell -- stealing bits of Abhorsen, have this notion of deepening shadow, where the first layer is just a grainy, grim version of the real world, the second layer is the goth-themed bat-decorated take on that, all the way down to Absolute Night. Nifty and thanks!

Have you seen Monte Cook's Beyond Countless Doorways? Best book I ever bought. You might be able to get (a lot of/some) good ideas there.

I like a lot of the planes that D&D has, and will continue to use them, but the ideological design of the Great Wheel didn't do a lot for me. The only new plane that they've talked about in 3e but hasn't been mentioned yet -- that I'd like to see -- is the Dream realm.

The problem is that it fills the same conceptual space as the Astral, which D&D has a very different flavor for. Still, it might pop up in a shaman-related or psychic-related book, which would be neat.

 

[Nightmare Toilet]

Thanks. Nice ideas.

But of course with lots of bats you know what you gets! Lots of guano! : )

The plane of dung thing is a little my sense of humor, but also there are things that can be done with it. Cult in the sewers, for example. Mix necromency and copromancy to get that, dare I say, darker flavor. Also, there actually have been cults and prctices throughout the realworld with that kind of focus. I once read of an Aphrodite of the Sewers as an actual classical cult of worship.

You want to scare your players, just have a shadowy monster that reaks of sewage come out of the toilet, ha ha, or an enemy that summons awful monsters from a ghoul's rear end.

Anyway, mirror was an optional plane in 3E, and since there are already some nice items and even some use in novels of creatures attacking from mirrors, that would work well.

Not being able to trust mirrors and being watched and attacked from things inside them that come out when you sleep, yeah, that's nasty.

Of course, the fecal succubus, a half-ooze succubus from the border of the abyss and the plane of excrement, who is coated in a reaking sewage slime that has a magical attraction/charm on all who smell her, that is also quite dangerous!

As for the plane of graves, Graveyard could be a template to add to creatures, too, like a skull nymph or graveyard nymph, a fey that lives in the border graveyard plane.

 

[thundershot]

The Plane of CANDY!!


mmmm...




Chris

 

[Lackhand]

Consider also this excellent sourcebook: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0916291456?filterBy=addFourStar

I haven't heard anything about the Positive Energy Plane (Shadowfell killed the NEP and took its yadda yadda) in the new edition. That doesn't make me terribly sad, since it means I can move the "radiance that fills you with good stuff until there's no more you to hold the good stuff" to Celestia:7. So that's curious.

Plane of Madness or Far Realm? I wonder whether the Elemental Abyss has eaten the Far Realm and made it rather more, um, central?

I really hope Sigil gets included at some point. I think the City of Doors at the center of everything has *more* of a place, not less, in a fragmented cosmology. Though they'll have to come up with new justification for the unity of rings, and they just can't cant, can they? Besides, it's better than Union and I wouldn't mind it popping up at level 20+.

What about the cosmomechanics of portable holes and bags of holding, not to mention nymph treasure-types? How will their dimensional science hold up in the face of the wizard's new more-classically-magical-than-engineery aspect?

So many questions.

 

[Belorin]

Mirrors are a good idea, imagine a shapeshifter that looks like you attacking when you stop to check yourself in a mirror. and then there's the whole reverse universe concept used in Star Trek and of course a great Callahan's Crosstime Saloon short story.
I think the Feywild killed the Positive Energy Plane and took it's stuff.
Apart from the mists of Ravenloft, a Plane Of Mists could be viable.

Plane of sewage? Seems wasteful. Do you think the multiverse is so flush with planes it can waste one on that sort of pipe-dream?

My thoughts exactly.

Bel

 

[Nightmare Toilet]

I can see it may be a hard sell for that one plane. : )

I think there is a lot of room, and most of all, the plane of feces really fits in with the idea of how planes can have portals in places of a ceratin element and mentality. Just think of a pit fiend's cesspool. Heck, even the nine hells may not be prepared for what knd of a place that could develope a portal to. Maybe it would be a newer plane. There is after all an infinite amount of feces in the cosmos what with infinite demons. And knowing the nature of demons and all, it would likely develope monsters and a realm solely distilled as that element just like water or fire or ooze, which it would be close to.

Here is a 9th level spell that shows some of the power a copromancer would have:

Sphincters of the Apocalypse:

The copromancer conjures 4 huge sphincters to appear in the sky that each expel a summoned, fecal pit fiend.


It could work, and actually the candy plane could also. Think a conceptual plane that borders the fey. : )

 

[Sir Brennen]

Nightmare Toilet... you're a Freudian field trip.

Obviously the Plane of Sewage would be inhabited by Excrementals:

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One planar concept I like was introduced in some online articles for 3E - the Elemental Plane of Blood.

 

[Jack99]

What new or radically different planes will there be or would you like in 4E?

I like the conceptual planes idea.

I also think that the plane of mirror has enough to allow it to be included.
That would also give rise to a cool class like a rogue sorcerer type that uses mirrors, lots of other ideas, too.

elemental plane of sewage. portals can be deep in the sewers or special comodes.
(ah, to have a copromancer in your party, yes....)

Plane of graves, graveyard plane with portal capability in a graveyard.

Ravenloft horror planes as available all over.

etc.

edit: and think of the kinds of monsters and hybrids you could get! Mirror Vampire, Sewer Nymph, Turd Vampire, Mirror Dragon, etc., and new spells, too.

This would turn me from 4e fanboy to instant grognard.

 

[Lackhand]

Elemental plane of Blood! Fun! Gross, also.
Also, I think, a misnomer. I like the classic 4; Ooze and Lava and suchlike don't sit well with me as elemental planes. As places to visit, fine! As ideals of their substance in all the universe, not so much. Besides, what's the difference between Crystal and Salt again?

I can't think how you'd use it that you wouldn't use a layer of the Abyss, though. And, honestly, I'd want it as a layer of the abyss. That would be kind of neat -- I'm sure adventures have done this, but I haven't: use more specific layers of the abyss for things. Not just Graz'zt's layers, but there must be more, and they seem... underutilized.