D&D 5E New products featuring Vistani will be?

Since the other thread, about the announcement itself, seems entirely focused on the sensitivity question, and not at all on the implications for new publications, I'll re-post here:



So the Vistani have some relationship, through an unspecified connection to time and space or fate or some deity, to planar anomalies. That explains why they are exceptions to Barovia's laws, and why they are there in the first place, and why they seem to have an affinity for seeing the future.

Then they can show up in all sorts of unexpected places, and those who have a good relationship with them will find that beneficial.

And maybe they...or their mysterious patron...are actually playing some really long game. (Anybody else think that "Vistani" sounds kinda sorta like "Istari"?)
ALways seemed to me Vistani is basically "vista people". It's just vista with a suffix. But, who knows.

My theory/understanding is, the Vistani can travel to different worlds because any world can connect to Ravenloft/Barovia, and they can come and go freely from Ravenloft/Barovia.
 

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Vistani traditionally don't have anything to do with Planescape, and Planescape was best when it downplayed or forgot that any of the other D&D settings existed.

Ravenloft does need to be visited some more in 5e, like actually visiting places like Darkon, Falkovnia, Dementlieu and the rest.
 

I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to sound like romani. Even uses the same suffixes: romani/roma, vistani/vistana... In fact, I always thought they just replaced the “rom” (which is a false cognate with “roam”) with “vist” as an intentional cognate of “visit.”

Oh, COME ON, gang!

Yes, I'm sure "Vistani" was originally intended to be evocative of "Romani". No, I don't actually think the writers had Istari in mind.

But we're trying to move the Vistani beyond that, right? Elevate them?

So imagine that they are kind of like the Istari? They travel the lands and planes and time, nudging here, poking there, helping or hindering as necessary, planting (figurative...or even literal?) seeds that won't bear fruit for hundreds or thousands of years. All part of the grand design wrought by...whom?
 

I think vistani can leave and come back to the demiplane of dread. They are free to travel among the dark domains, but not to remain for a long time. They also suffer their own curse, and this forces them to a nomadic life.

The last Curse of the Strand was practically a reboot, adding some clues about a future metaplot, for example secret links between madame Eve and a "big fish". I suspect Strand von Zarovich is a monster, and worse, he rejects all opportunities to get the redemtion, but not is totally guilty. He has been victim of some supernatural conspirancy, and Illiana was the bait, but Strand fell for it totally, because then his souls was too tainted and dark. My theory is Strand von Zarovich's fate is to become a necessary evil to avoid a worse menace, like a predator what hunts plagues.

My second theory is the metaplot will continue in some material planes because dark powers can cause true troubles, for example to the world where the original Barovia is from, or that world ruled by the vampyrs. Some characters from Innistrad will become "guest artists" in Ravenloft, and maybe even someone from Eberron. I would bet two characters from the game show "Dice, camera and action", Diath and Stryx, will also suffer a cruel fate in Ravenloft. We will not see the return of the spin-off "the mask of the read death", because the XIX in the real world could be too controversial, for all those matters about colonialism. Maybe we will see a fantasy fictional counterpart, somethink like Teath in 7th Sea. This should allow more freedom, for example to add a conspirancy of döpplewangers within the calipha's harem. A spin-off of Ravenloft will be in a material plane with a level of technology of pulp, atomic or space age. This would allow to produce action-live horror movies.

We can bet Ravenloft will come back. In the beggining only some pieces of crunch and modules, but the metaplot will be frozen for a lot of time.

* The picaresque novel may be a source of inspiration for players for their criminal guilds or rogue PCs. Lots of tropes could appear in D&D adventures set in urban enviroments. Can D&D creators to use elements and tropes from the picaresque novels or will they be reported for promoting the Hispanophobia? Authors can use Spanish people as villains in their stories, but you can't show always Spanish characters as evil or stupid people. Then it would be Hispanophobia. I guess about Vistani and gypsies can be used in your gothic horror stories, but if you show examples of good and evil individuals. You have to remember the true origin of the Rom people is a low social status in the India, in very hard times, and they you can't allow yourself to be too honest or trusting. Then everybody tricked each other when they could. And the distrust has been mutual among all the sides until the recent times. Only in the last decades some things have started to change. How to explain with other example? You can write stories aboug the mafia, but you can't show all Italian characters as criminals or people without enough culture. You can produce a movie of martial arts, or a videogame, where the main antagonist is an Asian, but you can't show all the Asian characters with the same tropes. Then the second would be wrong.

 


Vistani traditionally don't have anything to do with Planescape, and Planescape was best when it downplayed or forgot that any of the other D&D settings existed.

Ravenloft does need to be visited some more in 5e, like actually visiting places like Darkon, Falkovnia, Dementlieu and the rest.

When I mean Planescape I really meant more "the planes" in general. And the Vistani are pretty closely tied to the Shadowfel, so could fit there.

There hasn't really been a metaplot in 5e, has there?

There are threads connecting the annual adventure books, but I don't think it really counts as a metaplot. They are technically written as if they all happen in the order they're printed, but they don't really depend much on each other at all.
 

* The picaresque novel may be a source of inspiration for players for their criminal guilds or rogue PCs. Lots of tropes could appear in D&D adventures set in urban enviroments. Can D&D creators to use elements and tropes from the picaresque novels or will they be reported for promoting the Hispanophobia?
The literary term is taken from Spanish, but the Spanish didn't invent the genre, they just gave it it's name.

And it's very common for D&D adventures to be this.
 

The Spanish literature is really rich in the genre of the picaresque, specially for the "siglo de oro" (golden century).

I mean we can show characters from other communities and traits with negative traits. That wouldn't be wrong but if members of groups A only have got negative traits, and only members of group B have got some positive traits. If you want you can create an adventure set in Castilla (7th Sea) full of scoundrels, the D&D version of Cervantes' "Riconcete y Cortadillo". It is not wrong but if you start to abuse the tropes. Then it is not only annoying, but it may start to be dangerous, near of psychological abuse hidden as acid humor.

* Almost off-topic: I have searching about scary teen book serie, Pax, by Asa Larson, Ingela Korsell & Henrki Jonsson. Let's say it is like a softer version of Buffy vampire slayer, as an example of scary stories for teenages set in Ravenloft, and it has been translated into Spanish (I discovered it in a bookshop) but it hasn't been translated into English languange.

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