Tiny size should be available from level 3.
This kind is wildshape should be at-will ability, costing only (bonus) Action to activate.
why?No. Level 3 is too early. But 7 would be appropriate.
you deal half damage.
You dont even get advantage on Stealth.
let's wait 11(or 7 as you suggest) levels to give druids somewhat useful exploration/role-play tool.
talk about; too little, too late.
It's same as current rangers Vanish ability. Bonus action Hide at 14th level? Yeah, about 11 levels too late.
They should really take a hint from 3.5e PHB2 druid.
1st level wild shape: medium size, land speed 40ft
+4 STR, 1d6 damage, one attack
3rd level, tiny size, half speed of any form
1 damage attack, one attack
advantage on stealth
3rd level, aquatic shape, swim speed 40, breathe water, land speed 20
+4 STR, 1d6 damage, one attack
5th level, gain 2nd attack
7th level, underdark shape: burrow speed 20, land speed 20,
+4 STR, 1d6 damage
9th level, flight shape: fly speed 60, land speed 10,
+2 STR, 1d4 damage
11th level: large size, +4 additional STR in all shapes
13th level: elemental shape
17th level: huge size: +8 additional STR for all shapes
Bonus action wildshape, 1st level
+4 additional STR in all forms, 3rd level
natural weapons count as magical, 6th level
damage reduction equal to proficiency bonus, 10th level
spellcasting in wild shape, 14th level
that could work.Nope. +STR way worse than replacing STR with WIS.
Otherwise you see all those 20 STR Barbarian/Druids.
Generally the template approach us way better. It just needs some more balancing/improving.
Edit: now thinking of it, I think STR should just be a fixed value, starting at 16 and probably going up to 24 or even more.
If that is your intend, and your proposal of subclass at level 1 is in place, that could work.that could work.
but, with +x STR you can have moon druids based on STR and not so good spellcasting and good spellcasters and not so good wildshape fighters.
Things like this should be in the PHB but the DMG.Suggestion: allow tiny scouting, but not automatic succeed at it.
When spotted by another creature, you can make a Wisdom (Nature) check against their passive insight. If you succeed, they assume you are a normal animal and will generally pay you no mind, allowing you to sneak past or scout.
Unnatrial behavior that brings attention to yourself, such a mouse grabbing a key, will instantly cause alarm. And cooks may still chase a mouse out of a kitchen.
Also, druids should have expertise in nature.
Yes, wildshape lets them save spell slots so they can spotlight hog outside of combat too. It's basically "barbarian stance" that they can drop when they feel like it. Would you be OK if barbarians had an ability that temporarily reduced their HP by 2/level and gave them full casting?That they can't use while wildshaping.
I accept that the ability to wildshape and be a full spell caster gives druids a lot of potential flexibility. But all that flexibility is still channeled through one set of actions at any one time. So bringing up that they're spell casters in discussions about the power of wildshape isn't quite the same topic.
I've found it pretty unusual for a druid to be making the most of wildshaping and being a full spell caster at the same time.
I dunno, that seems like a pretty good deal. Not a good analogy. What if you had a barbarian subclass where they could no longer fight at all but in exchange got to be a mediocre caster?Yes, wildshape lets them save spell slots so they can spotlight hog outside of combat too. It's basically "barbarian stance" that they can drop when they feel like it. Would you be OK if barbarians had an ability that temporarily reduced their HP by 2/level and gave them full casting?
to be honest they could do both. There is nothing inherent about the Wildshape template usage to prevent to current style it just means tweaking the template.So, it just hit me that the Druid changes are the opposite of what Crawford said was a main design goal, to make changes to classes for the people who love the class.
Instead, it seems like the Druid changes are to try to make it more popular (as it ranks last), but that's a huge mistake. If the class was played FAR less than the next closest, I could see the need to try and increase it's popularity, but it's basically within a few percentage points of every class except the Fighter and Rogue, and those two are higher than then next most popular class than the Druid is behind the 3rd place class.
Let the druid be awesome for the people who love it (and also make every other class awesome for the people who love those). There is no need to have every class appeal to every player.
I agree with this but not the rest:Some ideas:
Add proficiency bonus to AC.
How about give the druid a class feature to cast barkskin (The new version with temp HP) with out concentration, similar to the Ranger with Hunter's Mark. Maybe as a bonus action.Double the effect of healing on self when in beast form, and allow casting abdurations/healing as a bonus action. (This might fix the spell slot issue mentioned by @Chaosmancer)
Gain inspiration when wildshaping - optional rule this can be replaced by DM granting proficiency/experise in an form aproperiate skill.
Make the moon druid bonus action a bestial strike rather than an unarmed strike (i suspect this was what was intended)
I think these are ideas that would at least start working toward a solution to the main criticisms (except tiny) while keeping the core ideas?
Works for me.I developed template-based wildshape options and added kickers that he could get by burning spell slots
I fully agree if the goal had only been to make a tankable wildshape. However my self healing boost suggestion was also intended to cover the complaint that there is nothing good to use spell-slots on. Barkskin with its duration, and for this purpose useless upcasting do not fill this purpose.I agree with this but not the rest:
How about give the druid a class feature to cast barkskin (The new version with temp HP) with out concentration, similar to the Ranger with Hunter's Mark. Maybe as a bonus action.
Then with with an AC boost, temp hp per turn and Hunter's Mark you have a tankable wildshape.