[Nexus] AoO change

Aussiegamer said:
he decided that he was the language police in another thread and basically shreaded me over stuff.
I didn't say a thing about your language in this thread at all, and yet...
Aussiegamer said:
thank you again for pointing out something to me about some wording or such Roudi.
You still defend yourself on the basis that I'm attacking your language. But what feedback did I actually try and provide?
Roudi said:
you don't seem to realize the irony that occurs every time you claim your rules are "simple" or "not a headache". Of course they are simple to you: you designed them! Other people may have different opinions.
Roudi said:
I just wanted to remind you of a fundamental fact of writing: we all understand our own work. That doesn't mean everyone else will.
I tried to help by letting you in on a fundamental fact of perspective in writing. I admit, the first time I said it, my words could easily have been misinterpreted as snarky. I assure you, they were not meant to be so.

As it is, a lot of good feedback has been provided to you in this thread, which you have summarily bashed and put down. No one is saying that you need to implement everyone's ideas, but if you ask for feedback, you ought to be willing to at least give it due consideration, not dismiss it outright.
 

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Aussiegamer said:
TheNovaLord, so you don't use it? the way you replied got me confused. But either way I don't see this as a big headache, as you stated it will only occur sometimes. So then like the melee AoO, it has little real impact on the game. The most impact I can see will be melee users charging or moving within 10m of a small gun user.

One thing to remember is that I making a system foe use in D&D style games to Traveller scifi style games, so hand xbows, knives, and darts etc are also included in this as well.

Yeah, i did write a horrible sentence.

We do use AOO but as i think about it it doesnt come up very often. It seems discussed a fair bit when we play a fantsy d20.
What i meant is as it is used so little, you ( or me or anyone) could opt to do away with it, but it may impact on other things.

One of our party carries a ceremonial longsword he occassionally draws, and as another party member is 90% cyborg and another 100% synthetic their is the odd bit of melee where these guys use strength based melee weapons at close quarters

We play Black Nova 35 again on sunday night so i will ask 1 player if he minds keeping an eye out for when AOO is an issue.

regards

John
 

Masada said:
Ahhhh... you bait and switched on me. You asked for feedback, but what you wanted was debate. See in feedback you throw an idea, I throw out ideas and it's all just ideas. In a debate you throw out an idea, I throw out an idea and you tell me why I'm wrong. The end goal is to pursuade rather than discuss. Geeky types are notorious for turning every conversation in to debates. So it's an easy trap to fall in to.

I have no desire to debate the Nexus system. I'm sure you and your players will be happy with the end results. They are the true targets of the system. I'll be staying out of future Nexus debates, but I would like to hear about your game sessions and how the changes you've made were played out, how well the players liked them and if it seemed to "flow" well.

I did not mean to make you think I am not considering all that people write about this. I am not debating that if this is better than that, just trying to get feedback about the ideas generally I put up for thoughts on.
 

TheNovaLord said:
Yeah, i did write a horrible sentence.

We do use AOO but as i think about it it doesnt come up very often. It seems discussed a fair bit when we play a fantsy d20.
What i meant is as it is used so little, you ( or me or anyone) could opt to do away with it, but it may impact on other things.

One of our party carries a ceremonial longsword he occassionally draws, and as another party member is 90% cyborg and another 100% synthetic their is the odd bit of melee where these guys use strength based melee weapons at close quarters

We play Black Nova 35 again on sunday night so i will ask 1 player if he minds keeping an eye out for when AOO is an issue.

regards

John
Yes it is a minor part of the game really, so I don't see what the fuss is about really, but OK.

And cheers :D
 

Just got back from excellent 5 hour session

Almost an AOO when a party memebr was being chewed up by a Mos'Hed Chitin (sort of Huge preying Mantis) but it got nailed before the character did something to provoke AOO

The only other near melee moment was in a robotics factory where if the party had got much closer they would have been charged by the robot sentries but as they didnt venture past the activation point in never happened.

Conclusion. AOO in sci fi is a minor thing but if changed may have a knock on affect above its level (hoep that makes sense)

JohnD
 

I agree that its pretty rare, but it is campaign sensistive. A bug kill might provoke more AoO than a humaniod only setting.

I don't really see that 10m for a small pistol is that big a deal for AoO even then. As most now are aware of AoO in close, so it makes you aware that if you do something up to 10m away that you might get shot at.

This does bring some of the modern weapons into the combats, but I feel does not make it unbalancing.

But thanks for the FB.
 

Aussiegamer said:
I agree that its pretty rare, but it is campaign sensistive. A bug kill might provoke more AoO than a humaniod only setting.

I havent run an aliens/startship troopers type scenario yet where big beasties with reach may be an issue regard AOO. (party are mostly 'rogues and greedy cowards' so that would sound way too dangerous and too much like working for a living!!)


Good luck with your thoughts. I got bored of writing rules so started playing a few years back. As issue arose i made a note and sorted them before the next session. Much better than playtesting situations over and over to see what happens

Last nite they took there ship in a ravine and had a bad pilot roll and bumped the side. when they inspected the damage the ships name had been scratched from DARKWING to look like DORKWING. Well , we thought it was funny!


John
 

TheNovaLord said:
I havent run an aliens/startship troopers type scenario yet where big beasties with reach may be an issue regard AOO. (party are mostly 'rogues and greedy cowards' so that would sound way too dangerous and too much like working for a living!!)


Good luck with your thoughts. I got bored of writing rules so started playing a few years back. As issue arose i made a note and sorted them before the next session. Much better than playtesting situations over and over to see what happens

Last nite they took there ship in a ravine and had a bad pilot roll and bumped the side. when they inspected the damage the ships name had been scratched from DARKWING to look like DORKWING. Well , we thought it was funny!


John
Yer pretty funny :D

I have tried to keep my interest up by getting discussion in forums, but yes it becomes a bit hard to keep the hard fight going.

And cheers
 

Aussiegamer said:
I have tried to keep my interest up by getting discussion in forums, but yes it becomes a bit hard to keep the hard fight going.

One of the hard parts was dragging people into sci fi, especially something homewritten

They all have a hard n bound n signed (!) copy of the 'players handbook' and now I am more or less happy with the 'NovaLords Guide' I have printed that out on very nice 140gsm weight paper to treat myself.

we dont play BN35 again until 27th Nov (we have started scheduling games, and as someone is GMing a 'skull n bones' pirate thing i cant complain) but by then the party will number 6 PC's! so all bases will be more than covered.

You have put a lot of work into Nexus from the bits i have read. Some of your question show how much depth and detail you have looked at something, and sought opinion. I look forward to seeing a fully hardbound fully illustrated version!! I wish I could draw, even in the slightest, so i could put thoughts n ideas down by illustration. :(

Keep up the labour of love!

JohnD
 

TheNovaLord said:
One of the hard parts was dragging people into sci fi, especially something homewritten
This is so true, for a niche market for RPG, scifi is a niche market of that....so pretty small.

They all have a hard n bound n signed (!) copy of the 'players handbook' and now I am more or less happy with the 'NovaLords Guide' I have printed that out on very nice 140gsm weight paper to treat myself.
Working my way to this as well :D

we dont play BN35 again until 27th Nov (we have started scheduling games, and as someone is GMing a 'skull n bones' pirate thing i cant complain) but by then the party will number 6 PC's! so all bases will be more than covered.

Its a bummer when you don't get to play for a time.

You have put a lot of work into Nexus from the bits i have read. Some of your question show how much depth and detail you have looked at something, and sought opinion. I look forward to seeing a fully hardbound fully illustrated version!! I wish I could draw, even in the slightest, so i could put thoughts n ideas down by illustration. :(

Yes some things are a lock, as I have a view of the system, but not everything.

yer I wish I could as well, as I see that as the sticking point for acceptance. Everyone likes a nice pic of the gun or space craft.

Keep up the labour of love!

JohnD

Will do

Rick
 

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