Nice change to Divine Might coming...

[darkbard]

There's nothing that was changed in 3.5 that obsoletes the apprentice-level rules from the 3.0 DMG.

except, of course, that they were removed for the 3.5 DMG, thus suggesting that they are no longer part of the rules set.

 

[tburdett]

There's nothing that was changed in 3.5 that obsoletes the apprentice-level rules from the 3.0 DMG.

They are not necessarily obsolete, but they are certainly not part of the core rules.

 

[Darklone]

They are not necessarily obsolete, but they are certainly not part of the core rules.

Yeah, I know these rules were poorly balanced and already halfways optional in the 3.0 DMG, but some guys still use it.

 

[Spatula]

except, of course, that they were removed for the 3.5 DMG, thus suggesting that they are no longer part of the rules set.

The bit about PrCs not counting towards multiclassing penalties was removed as well...

One of the 3.5 designers has commented that the apprentice-level stuff was removed for space reasons.

 

[tburdett]

The bit about PrCs not counting towards multiclassing penalties was removed as well...

One of the 3.5 designers has commented that the apprentice-level stuff was removed for space reasons.

Whatever the reason, it is no longer in the DMG, and thus, no longer part of the core rules. I only re-iterate this because this is the rules forum, it may not apply to your game.

 

[Kae'Yoss]

The bit about PrCs not counting towards multiclassing penalties was removed as well...

Not removed. Just forgotten. The Errata fixed that one up, I think.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Not removed. Just forgotten. The Errata fixed that one up, I think.

That would be a neat trick, given that the DMG errata aren't out yet...

-Hyp.

 

[Zaruthustran]

Nope, in 3.0 he could take Divine Might at level 3, now he has to wait till level6, while the cleric (munchkinclass) can still take it at first level (if he's human or Ftr/Clr multiclass).... one of the worst changes IMHO.

That's a good point. A paladin has to wait 'til 6th, which is also the first time he'd be able to take Leadership. So the choice is: Leadership or Divine Might? Wow.

Maybe in D&D 3.7 they'll give paladins this class feature at level 6:

"Bonus Feat
At 6th level, a paladin may select Divine Might or Leadership as a bonus feat."

-z

 

[Scion]

Strange, I just made it a full round action to activate. Gave it the extra prereq of extra turning. Created a holy nimbus around you and your weapon that wasnt useable to read by but visible a long way off in the right circumstances. Used up 2 turnings for the day, and gave +cha (sacred) bonus to attack and damage for rounds = cha bonus. It is very nice and flavorful, but hasnt caused any major problems yet

 

[Hypersmurf]

Strange, I just made it a full round action to activate. Gave it the extra prereq of extra turning. Created a holy nimbus around you and your weapon that wasnt useable to read by but visible a long way off in the right circumstances. Used up 2 turnings for the day, and gave +cha (sacred) bonus to attack and damage for rounds = cha bonus. It is very nice and flavorful, but hasnt caused any major problems yet

Oooh, attack and damage? I can imagine giving up the longer action and the extra turn attempt for that.

Although having to take the Extra Turning feat would be annoying

-Hyp.