D&D 5E No 5e bashing, please!

[Iosue]

Sure, it's better than Wotc, but there is a lot of trolling of Next threads by 4e zealots that I don't see moderated which in turn, gives rise to threads such as these.

I'm a fan of 5e so far and have vigorously and at length disagreed with 4e fans in Next threads. At no time has their behavior ever come close to trolling.

Your posts, on the other hand, seem intentionally phrased to get a rise out of fans of 4e. I mean, it doesn't look like you're really looking for civil discussion when throwing out words like "zealots".

I apologize for being insuling and I will tone down the rhetoric, but I have just as much right to post here as anyone does, and I already quit the Wotc forums due to excessive 4venging / trolling of 'Next subforums that I simply did not want it repeated here. But that's the mods' job, not mine, and for my part I vow to not mention 4e EVER again because it is an affront to my appreciation of this hobby (and probably the worst thing to happen to it in years, but who knows, right?).

Right. Let me know how that toning down the rhetoric works out for you.

 

[Starfox]

If this thread can channel all the 5E edition warring into one thread, that is still a kind of achievement. The 5E threads all seem quite nice.

This is not a comment on any particular post (I've not read this thread in depth), just on the general atmosphere.

 

[D'karr]

Now this I must protest against.<snip>

I apologize for being insuling and I will tone down the rhetoric, but I have just as much right to post here as anyone does<snip>

Note that I said that the posts that had been made, and I quoted, added nothing to the discussion except inflammatory rhetoric. I did not say that you as a poster added nothing. Posting is not a right, it is a privilege.

and I already quit the Wotc forums due to excessive 4venging / trolling of 'Next subforums that I simply did not want it repeated here. But that's the mods' job, not mine, and for my part I vow to not mention 4e EVER again because it is an affront to my appreciation of this hobby (and probably the worst thing to happen to it in years, but who knows, right?).

This right here is not the way to tone down the inflammatory rhetoric. And this type of attitude is exactly what I was mentioning about the posts.

given the millions of happy gamers who play the games I make. Yes, that's an argument from "authority", but it always seemed odd to me that an authority on implementing games would not deserve at least "casual" respect around here (again, you probably played most of my games, and written gushing reviews on them).

I personally don't know who you are, but that type of attitude usually does not garner much "respect" from people. You might have written the best games in the world, but with the "jerk" attitude you are not bound to find much respect. Your supposed "authority" would be better served if you did not use it as a pretense to insult gamers that might like other things than what you like. Your "authority" ends at your game table, and does not extend to mine or that of any other gamer. It would be good if you remembered that when you decide to exercise your supposed "authority" to insult. Respect is earned, usually by being respectful.

Once simply cannot say "don't be a jerk" and expect that to be a valid argument.

Actually it is not an argument. It is a simple statement, usually used to remind someone not to be one, or not to continue being one. You are still trying to justify the "jerk" behavior, and trying to shield it with your supposed "authority".

Sure, it's better than Wotc, but there is a lot of trolling of Next threads by 4e zealots...

How's that toning of rhetoric working for you?

When you call people 4e zealots you cannot expect not to be called a "jerk". When you get to that you have already gotten to the place where the entirety of your post becomes irrelevant. At that point your post is adding nothing to the discussion. Maybe that is why you are not seeing a gushing of respect around here, nor glowing approval for your "works" or opinions. There are ways to criticize things you don't like without being insulting. When you choose to insult, then you are being a "jerk" and your supposed popularity or "authority" among a circle of like minded people that also uses insults to get their point across is not a valid excuse.

 

[Morrus]

Now this I must protest against. I don't post very often because I work 60 hour weeks, but if I had the number of posts that you have, I would surely have the amount of XP you do (meaning, the amount of people who appreciate my commentary).

I apologize for being insuling and I will tone down the rhetoric, but I have just as much right to post here as anyone does, and I already quit the Wotc forums due to excessive 4venging / trolling of 'Next subforums that I simply did not want it repeated here. But that's the mods' job, not mine, and for my part I vow to not mention 4e EVER again because it is an affront to my appreciation of this hobby (and probably the worst thing to happen to it in years, but who knows, right?).

And Umbran, insofar as this entire thread seems to be a free-for-all to casually throw insults my way, I find it very revealing that you take "umbrage" to my use of the word asinine, but not to others when describing my 'asinine' opinions on RPGs and games of various sorts, for which I assure you, will have more direct impact on the industry than most posters here do, given the millions of happy gamers who play the games I make. Yes, that's an argument from "authority", but it always seemed odd to me that an authority on implementing games would not deserve at least "casual" respect around here (again, you probably played most of my games, and written gushing reviews on them). But when I play an RPG on pen and paper, my standards are far more stringent, and although I write my opinions rather more forcefully than they should be, I do respect many of the opinions of the other posters here (even the 4e fans), and if I insulted them directly and personally (which I don't think I have, but I may be wrong) then I do apologize. But from my POV is seems like you're personally singling me out here and this is not the first time you've reprimanded me for my choice of terminology when, in fact, I did not violate the terms of service here. Once simply cannot say "don't be a jerk" and expect that to be a valid argument.

From my POV posting in D&D Next rules threads and saying stuff like we need more contentious (IMO ridiculous) meta-gamey rules that the designers have already said would not be implemented in the game due to their violent rejection from most of the non-4e crowd, are my version of "being a jerk". However, you're right, I should just not rise to it. This is a meta-thread and of no particular importance, and you must realize that although you can block my account here, there is literally nothing you can do to prevent me from posting here again should I so chose. My purpose is not to troll, since I never went into a 4e thread and told people "those rules are asinine!" except when I was on Wotc forums and playing 4e weekly. Then I decided to quit (rather unceremoniously, when literally every single gamer I knew either quit as well or migrated to PF or other systems, or just went back to videogaming). What I'm saying is....I grow tired as well of people picking on me, and if you expect me to lick your boots to stay here you have a serious "water-cooler power abuse" issue that transcends this forum. I will simply not listen to someone tell me I cannot "insult" or "disrespect" a game rule, while you allow an entire thread to turn my alias here into your pinata.

I assure you Umbran, people will read this thread, and whether they appreciate my posts or detest them, WILL realize the hypocrisy in your moderation inaction, when posts are clearly incendiary and directly insulting to me. Yet you do nothing. Ok, fine, maybe it's a little poetic justice for my own incendiary remarks, but don't claim to be an impartial observer, plenty of people do agree with my points (vigorously so! read my xp comments, I dare you) and you simply aren't a fan. And that's okay by me. Honestly, I make quite good money making games, and don't need your approbation or particularly care for the way this board is moderated. Sure, it's better than Wotc, but there is a lot of trolling of Next threads by 4e zealots that I don't see moderated which in turn, gives rise to threads such as these. The fact that you didn't lock the thread on your last post directed at me, when others started piling on, is simply exhibit A to your own gaming biases and has less to do with my choice of terminology than for your own biases.

OK, this is getting silly. Gorgoroth, re-familiarize yourself with the rules please. They spell out what to do when you disagree with moderation; this isn't it.

And all this "I write computer games so you should respect my opinion" really needs to stop. Your opinion has the same weight as everyone else's, and repeating that isn't having the effect you're probably hoping for. And, as an aside, you'd be surprised to find out who's behind some of the screen names that post here. We have a lot of people who could appeal to their own authority if they chose to. They choose not to.

you must realize that although you can block my account here, there is literally nothing you can do to prevent me from posting here again should I so chose.

You really need to drop that approach, too. Nobody's tried to ban you; you're the only one who keeps bringing that up, almost like you're hoping for it. I'm actually starting to get a little suspicious that you're trying to goad us into banning you. And that last bit's also starting to read like a threat; don't do that. That's not nice.

Calm down; take a walk or something; we're just talking about geeky games here. I assure you that being civil is really fricking easy. Let's try it, eh?

Everyone else - if Gorgoroth's posts are making you want to respond angrily, please just head elsewhere on the site and read another thread. Don't rise to it; this is already a complete train wreck of a thread. Thanks.

 

[El Mahdi]

Not angry, just curious. [MENTION=6674889]Gorgoroth[/MENTION] - Motivated by my own principals as to what I buy, I was wondering if you could provide a list of the games you've worked on and what company you work for...so I can avoid buying any of those products in the future.

Thank You in advance for the information.

 

[Morrus]

Not angry, just curious. @Gorgoroth - Motivated by my own principals as to what I buy, I was wondering if you could provide a list of the games you've worked on and what company you work for...so I can avoid buying any of those products in the future.

Thank You in advance for the information.

Oh, come on, dude. That doesn't help at all.

I think I'll just close this thread. It can't go anywhere good. Everyone, just go about your business and be civil.