No New 24 Thread?

[DonTadow]

I noticed there was no 24 thread, but honestly didn't care enough to start one. My fiance told me that this was the make/break show for her. She's now given up and I"m on the border of making this a "long tivo" series (tape everything and watch it later).

I am having a big problem with the timing on this show as it now longer feels like a plausable hour. Sure, 24 has been doing this since the first season, but this season they have doubled the stretch of believability. This episode was all hype and no bite. Case in point, in previous seasons the CTU engineer would have been captured for 3 or 4 episodes. This time, he was captured, tortured, armed a nuke, freed, recovered and back working again in a span of 2 hours.

Then there was the scene where ctu storms the building. This was a bit unbelieable to me. They are all breaking through windows, storming the building and they don't see the main badbuy leave in a helicopter on the roof. Surely someone notices a helicopter.

The one part I liked was when jack's father revealed to jack's sister in law that he was the a villain. Though I know someone committed on the preview, and normally I'd agree, actually seeing that scene for next week made me want to stick with it. Jack should have been figured it out.

 

[GlassJaw]

I think I know more people who have said they stopped watching this show than are actually still watching it.

 

[Relique du Madde]

I am having a big problem with the timing on this show as it now longer feels like a plausable hour. Sure, 24 has been doing this since the first season, but this season they have doubled the stretch of believability. This episode was all hype and no bite. Case in point, in previous seasons the CTU engineer would have been captured for 3 or 4 episodes. This time, he was captured, tortured, armed a nuke, freed, recovered and back working again in a span of 2 hours.

I actually got annoyed with the inconsistant pacing of those last two hours. First off, it took 30 min - 1 hour for Morris to be taken to the hideout (in Los Angeles), yet some how it took jack and the swat team 5 minutes to reach the place once they knew where it was located even though they lost track of morris. Then After being tortured for 20 -30 minutes, Morris then was able to change the code to a nuclear detinator in 5 minutes. Seeing how long that took, why didn't the terrorists just call tech-support in Pakistan instead of wasting two hours?

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

I actually got annoyed with the inconsistant pacing of those last two hours. First off, it took 30 min - 1 hour for Morris to be taken to the hideout (in Los Angeles), yet some how it took jack and the swat team 5 minutes to reach the place once they knew where it was located even though they lost track of morris. Then After being tortured for 20 -30 minutes, Morris then was able to change the code to a nuclear detinator in 5 minutes. Seeing how long that took, why didn't the terrorists just call tech-support in Pakistan instead of wasting two hours?

I still enjoy it mostly, but the technical or realistic aspects of the shows become indeed unbelievable. Maybe they went into a trap with making each season having bigger enemies. This forces them to introduce more daring situations, and it's simply stretches believability.

Another problem might be that Jack is the whole focus. Honestly, I never cared that much about the "B"-stories around the presidents (even though I loved the "original" Palmer - probably the best American TV president ever, and the second best President in all TV history - after Laura Roslin ) or others.
On the other hand, sometimes I got the impression that Jack isn't having enough action - I loved all those scenes in previous seasons where he just went through "the lair of the villains" and shot, stabbed and punched one bad-guy after the other.

If they had one or two secondary characters that could do the same, they could have different people at different "hot-spots" and maintain some believability. But that's not really possible, at least not any more... (Even if Kiefer Sutherland likes to claim otherwise)

 

[DonTadow]

I still enjoy it mostly, but the technical or realistic aspects of the shows become indeed unbelievable. Maybe they went into a trap with making each season having bigger enemies. This forces them to introduce more daring situations, and it's simply stretches believability.

Another problem might be that Jack is the whole focus. Honestly, I never cared that much about the "B"-stories around the presidents (even though I loved the "original" Palmer - probably the best American TV president ever, and the second best President in all TV history - after Laura Roslin ) or others.
On the other hand, sometimes I got the impression that Jack isn't having enough action - I loved all those scenes in previous seasons where he just went through "the lair of the villains" and shot, stabbed and punched one bad-guy after the other.

If they had one or two secondary characters that could do the same, they could have different people at different "hot-spots" and maintain some believability. But that's not really possible, at least not any more... (Even if Kiefer Sutherland likes to claim otherwise)

I've been thinking about the same thing. Ithink this show is suffering from star popularity. Keither Sutherland is great, but the writers and producers are now only focusing on his character and making the b characters into c/d characters. Maybe its because they killed them all off ? Every thing has to now be linked to Jack which leads to incredible tales of family interaction and Jack backstory that I wouldn't think would have existed.

 

[Relique du Madde]

I've been thinking about the same thing. Ithink this show is suffering from star popularity. Keither Sutherland is great, but the writers and producers are now only focusing on his character and making the b characters into c/d characters. Maybe its because they killed them all off ?.

I think you hit the nail on the head. Of the "B" characters, i only remotely care about Chloe (but not as much as I did when she had Edgar around) and Morris. I already wrote Buchanon off as being a "c" character (the Directors of CTU only shine when theres a power struggle in CTU). In my book, Milo will never replace Edgar and I truly wish that he would return back to Geek Squad or where ever they found him.

Sorry to say, but I hate the current president palmer. Wayne Palmer only seemed to shine when he was acting as a balance to Sherri Palmer and Mike Novik. In his current role he seems to be a poor substitute for the original President Palm (so much that his plot line seems to be a rehash from season 2). I'm actually wondering if this season will have an assassination attempt on him (which I think might lead to alot of criticism because he would be the second (black) president on the series to be assassinated) or if the "conspiracy" group will has him impeached, or disposed in a coup attempt or what.


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Every thing has to now be linked to Jack which leads to incredible tales of family interaction and Jack backstory that I wouldn't think would have existed.[/QUOTE]

Yeah it maybe good, but the way I see it, this season will end all the Bauer family storylines once Philip Bauer is arrested/dead unless, however, if Kim Bauer (ugh) comes back w/ her therapist fiance or unless Jack and Graeham's wife decides to hook up at the end of this seaon, or unless Uncle Billy Bob Bauer (who has been unseen up until now) ends up being a terrorist mastermind (but that would be jumping the shark).

 

[Welverin]

Then there was the scene where ctu storms the building. This was a bit unbelieable to me. They are all breaking through windows, storming the building and they don't see the main badbuy leave in a helicopter on the roof. Surely someone notices a helicopter.

You got some facts wrong, Fayed went down through the vetilation/garbage chute, or whatever it was, through the sewers to a helicopter on some other building. So, the CTU people didn't simply miss it, they didn't know where Fayed was at the time and the people whonoticed the chopper taking off had no reason to suspect it at the time (allegedly).

The one part I liked was when jack's father revealed to jack's sister in law that he was the a villain. Though I know someone committed on the preview, and normally I'd agree, actually seeing that scene for next week made me want to stick with it. Jack should have been figured it out.

I too thought that, though it's clear Jack's not at the top of his game, as evidenced by the terrorist he failed to get information out of that Alexander Siddig's character did (aka Dr. Bashir). I also suspect, not surprisingly, has a bit of a blind spot when it goes tohis family members.

 

[kirinke]

I too thought that, though it's clear Jack's not at the top of his game, as evidenced by the terrorist he failed to get information out of that Alexander Siddig's character did (aka Dr. Bashir). I also suspect, not surprisingly, has a bit of a blind spot when it goes tohis family members.

Well considering all the things he's been through, no one would be on top of their game. Heck, IRL, he probably wouldn't be a fully functioning human being.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Well considering all the things he's been through, no one would be on top of their game. Heck, IRL, he probably wouldn't be a fully functioning human being.

Sometimes I doubt he actually is one.

It is difficult to show Jack's Bauers change of personality, but I think it has changed. Ever since the death of his wife, things became worse for him, and I think he now has some serious emotional issues. I would like to believe his time in prison could have helped, but I doubt that regular interrogation and torture helped him to "medidate" about his issues. :/

 

[kirinke]

Sometimes I doubt he actually is one.

It is difficult to show Jack's Bauers change of personality, but I think it has changed. Ever since the death of his wife, things became worse for him, and I think he now has some serious emotional issues. I would like to believe his time in prison could have helped, but I doubt that regular interrogation and torture helped him to "medidate" about his issues. :/

That's the understatement of the year.