Non-cleric and non-paladin priests?

Tsyr

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Has anyone ever played a priest in a normal-magic setting that isn't a cleric or paladin?

Just wondering... I'm playing a human fighter/mage in a friends game who has put ranks into Knowledge: Religion (As a fighter/mage, ouch...), and I'm playing him as a semi-ex-priest of Boccob... Doesn't activly perform the job of priest anymore, but still considers himself one.

Everyone looks at me funny, but, hey... :)
 

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If I met such an ex-priest, I'd be asking, what horrible sin caused him to so fall out of favour with his god as to not beable to cast spells?

Hmm.

Don't answer that question.
 

If I understand correctly, you're asking if people play members of the church hierarchy when they're not clerics or paladins, right?

Your character sounds okay to me. Boccob is a god of magic (I kind of prefer Boccob to Mystra, actually, though the Mystra/Shar duality is kind of cool), so the church hierarchy is bound to have a few wizards and sorcerors. Just like a god of thieves is going to have rogues and bards in its hierarchy, or a god of law and order is going to have experts in law serving it. And so on.

I agree, not all members of a hierarchy are going to be divine-magic-wielding hero character classes.
 

G'day

Presumably the gods give (divine) spellcasting abilities to those people who need them to discharge their duties to the gods, and not to others. This would be just like the Church giving sacramental powers to (ie. ordaining) those people who need to use them, not all of its members. I understand that nearly all abbots are/were ordained at least to the status of priest--only very few receive[d] the episcopal consecration. And mediaeval monks were not uniformly ordained as priests: a few were acolytes and some were deacons, but most were mere porters and lectors, or had taken solemn vows and received First Tonsure but were not ordained at all.

This being the case, I don't see any problem with D&D religious hierarchies employing administrators, almoners, choristers, theologians, teachers, preachers, precentors, sextons, clerks, copyists, and contemplatives without the gods giving them the powers of a cleric. Clerical spells would reasonably be reserved to those people who need them for serving the faithful, dis-serving the unfaithful, and maintaining internal discipline.

This question raises again the issue that D&D is missing a class to represent those [NPC] ecclesiastics whose duties do not require them to develop an expertise with maces and heavy armour, and who do not need quite so many as d8 hit points per level, but who require more pastoral skills (diplomacy, gather information, heal, knowledge (religion), perform (ritual), profession (preacher, pastor), sense motive) and perhaps a different balance in their spell lists.

I am geeky enough to think it would be neat if in D&D 4.0 the pastoral cleric were so designed that the adventuring cleric could be represented by taking alternate levels of fighter and pastor (together with appropriate choices of feats), and perhaps the paladin as a fighter/pastor with more emphasis on fighter and different choices of feats, but that's just me.

Regards,


Agback

[edited to correct glaring stupidity and restore the intended sense]
 
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I haven't kicked it into gear yet, but I've got a character concept I want to play: a bard/fighter who considers himself a holy cavalier or paladin of Olidammara. (And who's gonna tell him he's not?) He's got a few of the same cleric-like spells, after all (in v.3), including healing and removing curses, etc. And he'll have a personal code of honor that will be very similar to a paladin's -- although it won't be lawful-good, of course.

My current gnome ranger/cleric is not actually recognized by the church of Ehlonna as an official "cleric" or priest. Instead of the proscribed domains, he chose Animal and Healing. But unless the goddess herself steps down and tells him to stop helping people in her name, he's going to continue acting in a lay-clergy capacity.
 

IMHO The Cleric is NOT a Priest at all. The Militant Cleric with her combat prowess and ability to turn undead is a Crusader a Temple-Knight serving the cause with Steel and fury.

So yes I allow priests of any class and have in the past played a Half-Giant Rogue/Ranger who considered himself an 'Inqusitor'.

As a DM most of the NPC Priests imc are Experts or Adepts.

Paladins are Crusaders (ie Clerics) who have been specially empowered by the diety...
 

Tonguez said:

Paladins are Crusaders (ie Clerics) who have been specially empowered by the diety.

If I say I'm a "paladin", who's gonna tell me to stop? Only *I* know if my god or goddess has spoken to me and filled me with holy purpose.
 



BVB said:


If I say I'm a "paladin", who's gonna tell me to stop? Only *I* know if my god or goddess has spoken to me and filled me with holy purpose.

Of course, in a world where gods are willing and able to manifest in physical form on the prime material plane, and where gods take enough interest in the world to invest chosen warriors with their holy power, it might not be smart to go around claiming to be a Paladin of a specific god...
 

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