Non-Core Class Survivor: Round 8

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

I'd love to understand the hate-on for the Artificer. Having seen them in play they work rather nicely, and have a niche of their own. Is their vote really a reflection of the anti-Eberron crowd?

I'm pro-Eberron, which is why I've seen it in play. I would have voted to knock it off the island... but I want the knight gone.

 

[Mercule]

I'm astounded the Favored Soul survived last round. Just gives me more time to grind my axe.

 

[Mercule]

I'm still trying to vote Favored Soul off the list.

Mark my words, this poll will be won by either Scout or Warlock - two classes that should have been core. A ranger that is more interesting to play than the Ranger, and a sorcerer that works better than the Sorcerer.

I'm with you on Favored Soul, but we part company with the Scout. That'll probably be my next target (maybe not, after the FS, I'll actually have to ponder). I'd probably be more a fan of the Scout if WotC hadn't botched the Ranger so badly, with the d8 hit die and such. The niches that the two classes fill overlap way too much.

Then again, maybe I should start championing the Scout as a core class in 4E. That might mean the Ranger would get made a bit more rangerish (tough, resourceful, wilderness warrior in the vein of special forces) and a bit less of a pansy wilderrogue.

 

[Rystil Arden]

They're very, very powerful -- they can do some things better than Clerics, who are known to be able to do most things better than anyone else.

-- N

Aye, plus with very fews other supplements involved, they can do huge numbers of d6s in burst damage with wands. Admittedly, it costs them, so they won't do it in every battle, but they have a nasty tendency to do it in the same end battles where everyone blows all their action points epecting to level, thus allowing the combined power of both of these things to bring down a reasonable BBEG (CR = APL + 5) like she was a joke or barely beat an unreasonable BBEG that would otherwise be a TPK.

 

[BlueBlackRed]

Is there an anti-Eberron/anti-psionics coalition?
If so, ad me to your roster.

 

[Desdichado]

Warmage. For the third (or fourth?) time in a row. And can I just say that if I had to play in the game that eliminated all these cool classes and kept all these lame ones... I wouldn't.

Still, it's interesting to see. So, are we going to do non-core race survivor next?

 

[(Psi)SeveredHead]

Warmage. For the third (or fourth?) time in a row. And can I just say that if I had to play in the game that eliminated all these cool classes and kept all these lame ones... I wouldn't.

Still, it's interesting to see. So, are we going to do non-core race survivor next?

There's too many non-core races to do a reasonable poll. The first page alone would be filled with elves. Would you include templates or anything with LA?

 

[Desdichado]

There's too many non-core races to do a reasonable poll. The first page alone would be filled with elves. Would you include templates or anything with LA?

I suppose that's true; in my mind I kinda hadn't considered subraces to count, and I wasn't considering that the MM pretty much makes all kinds of critters potential races.

I was thinking more like the Psionic races in EPsiH, the various "races of" new races, the various setting new races, the various environment book new races, OA new races, etc. There's probably not many more there than there are new core classes.

 

[Glyfair]

I'm finding it interesting that three PHB II classes are still there. Did WoTC get it right on these ones or is the book too new to have a horde of critics?

While I don't think it's as ubiquitous as the Complete series (excluding Complete Psionic), I think it has a pretty deep penetration here. Overall the comments are very positive about the book. Of the ones listed, the Knight is the most controversial. The Duskblade & Beguiler are very strong classes with only a few detractors (people who quibble about details are another matter, but all classes have those).

 

[Drowbane]

The Warmage the?

I agree with you, by the way. I never liked the warmage; I dislike its flavor text and role; I don't think spellcasters should be so common that there are regiments and academies of battle mages that are separate from regular wizards and sorcerers. You want a warmage? Take a wizard or sorcerer and the right spell selection.

There could be, I think, an NPC class similar to the warmage; like a "warrior" version of a wizard or sorcerer (as in "warrior is to fighter as battlemage is to wizard").

I've always disagreed with the Fluff of Warmages being Wizards trained to spontaneous cast "weaponized" only spells...

Instead I view them as Sorcerers who were caught early, and trained to unleash Death... nothing of that pansy-foo-foo stuff like "Grease" or "Mage Armor".