D&D 5E Non-Eberron Changelings Should Be Primal Elves

Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
This is a really simple connection, and I just wanted to make a thread discussing this idea I had.

Since Monsters of the Multiverse, Changelings have become less attached to Eberron and moved into the wider D&D Multiverse. And according to 5e Elven lore, Elves used to be genderfluid fey creatures that were able to shapechange at will until they gave up that ability because of Lolth. In Monsters of the Multiverse, Changelings are Fey that are able to shapechange at will (and even change size and genetic sex).

So . . . Changelings should be related to elves somehow. Maybe they're the ancestors of elves that didn't side with Lolth, so they never lost their ability to shapechange but were still cast out by Corellon to the Feywild because he's a jerk. Or maybe they're elves that have been blessed by Corellon to get back a bit of their shapechanging abilities (maybe after pleasing him in a former life, or something like that). Or if they ever make a First World/Prehistoric D&D setting, instead of having all of the types of Elves that we currently know of, they could present Changelings as the settings "Elf" race and say that all of the variant types haven't evolved yet.

That's it. Any thoughts? How would you approach this if you were to do something similar to this?
 

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Parmandur

Book-Friend
This is a really simple connection, and I just wanted to make a thread discussing this idea I had.

Since Monsters of the Multiverse, Changelings have become less attached to Eberron and moved into the wider D&D Multiverse. And according to 5e Elven lore, Elves used to be genderfluid fey creatures that were able to shapechange at will until they gave up that ability because of Lolth. In Monsters of the Multiverse, Changelings are Fey that are able to shapechange at will (and even change size and genetic sex).

So . . . Changelings should be related to elves somehow. Maybe they're the ancestors of elves that didn't side with Lolth, so they never lost their ability to shapechange but were still cast out by Corellon to the Feywild because he's a jerk. Or maybe they're elves that have been blessed by Corellon to get back a bit of their shapechanging abilities (maybe after pleasing him in a former life, or something like that). Or if they ever make a First World/Prehistoric D&D setting, instead of having all of the types of Elves that we currently know of, they could present Changelings as the settings "Elf" race and say that all of the variant types haven't evolved yet.

That's it. Any thoughts? How would you approach this if you were to do something similar to this?
That makes a good deal of sense, particularly with Changelings being Fey. Doppelganger are rooted in more sinister traditional Elf/Faerie lore, and Corellon as the Uber-Dopplegsnger is disturbing and puts an interesting new twist in things.
 

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
I think we are being set up for a big feywild focused book sometime in the near future, maybe after 2024. There are a lot of races that are getting the fey overhaul. That said, not every fey creature has to be related to the elves.

The Changelings shapechange is just a bit too mechanically limited for what I would imagine for a "primal" elf. In my homebrew, Elves don't change shape so much as they "attune" to the nature of the world around them, effectively changing their subrace whenever they complete a ritual. Which is closer to what I would picture primal elves to do (though perhaps at a faster speed). The other alternative would be some kind of wildshape equivalent, but that's far too powerful as a racial feature.
 

Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
That makes a good deal of sense, particularly with Changelings being Fey. Doppelganger are rooted in more sinister traditional Elf/Faerie lore, and Corellon as the Uber-Dopplegsnger is disturbing and puts an interesting new twist in things.
Hmm. I don't think MotM connects Changelings and Doppelgangers, and the 5e Eberron book says that Doppelgangers are Changelings that the Daelkyr warped. So, I'd probably just make Multiversal Doppelgangers be Far Realm-warped Changelings (maybe connected to that Feywild and Far Realm adventure from Radiant Citadel), not make Corellon some uber-Doppelganger. But you do you.
I think we are being set up for a big feywild focused book sometime in the near future, maybe after 2024. There are a lot of races that are getting the fey overhaul. That said, not every fey creature has to be related to the elves.
I hope so. It would be awesome to get more Feywild content, but with The Wild Beyond the Witchlight having recently come out, I doubt it. And I'm not saying every fey creature has to be related to elves, just the one that shares major characteristics with some aspects of 5e lore's Primal Elves.
The Changelings shapechange is just a bit too mechanically limited for what I would imagine for a "primal" elf. In my homebrew, Elves don't change shape so much as they "attune" to the nature of the world around them, effectively changing their subrace whenever they complete a ritual. Which is closer to what I would picture primal elves to do (though perhaps at a faster speed). The other alternative would be some kind of wildshape equivalent, but that's far too powerful as a racial feature.
That's why I gave a few different options. Maybe they're a version of Elves as they were transforming into their less-mutable forms? Or are just elves Corellon blessed to give back some of their shapechanging.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
On the contrary, I think they should be the true icon of humanity.

D&D loves to Picard it's way around 'why are these mundane sadboys in a world of fantasy and magic?' with 'humans are versatile and adaptable.

So... what if at one point is was or will actually be true?
 



cbwjm

Legend
I prefer changlings to be some sort of monstrous aberration, though I tend not to use that bit of elven lore in my settings anyway.
 

Can you blame elves because changelings aren't wellcome by Lolth's fault? What if a changelling who lives tolerated and accepted in a community later is replaced by a clon created by an enemy faction?

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Levistus's_Leviathan

5e Freelancer
No, just because two things may share a few traits, their is no reason that they need be related. Changlings as something original and interesting is much better than just another elf variant.
I'd get rid of quite a few Elf subraces if I could (Sea Elves, High Elves, Shadar-Kai). But I still think that this connection would be cool.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
I'd get rid of quite a few Elf subraces if I could (Sea Elves, High Elves, Shadar-Kai). But I still think that this connection would be cool.
If Waterbreathing becomes a cantrip instead of a spell, then "sea elves" are a community of normal elves who choose the Waterbreathing cantrip for their innate spellcasting.
 

Yaarel

Mind Mage
There is a connection between between "elf" and "changeling".

It relates the reallife concept of "fairy".

There are at least two concepts of changeling.

One is more obscure, where the "changeling" is the offspring of a human and an elf during a (shamanic) magical encounter.

The other changeling is a widespread belief of the fairy folk stealing a human baby and leaving a fairy baby in its place. In this sense, the changeling refers to the exchange of babies. It is a fairy who grows up among humans.

The reasons for stealing human children vary, some innocent some sinister.

Shakespeare mentions how the more powerful a fairy is, the younger (and thus less morally and ethically mature) the fairy appears. So the king and queen are fairy spirits in the form of toddlers! The queen stole a human child to play with, thus also granting the human toddler immortality.

In British folkbelief, the fairy was any "magical" spirit, but especially a spirit of magic itself, relating to fate. From southern English influence, a fairy came to be identified as a specific kind of magical creature, the one that Shakespeare describes. It is a normal humansize spirit, often a child or teen, but as a spirit can shrink to some degree like angels can to dance on the head of a pin. The most powerful fairies can shrink to the size of a fingernail. Eventually, these fairies came to be visualized as normally tiny.

Thus in contrast, the "elf" specifies the earlier concept of the kind of fairy that is normal humansize. The elf is a kind of fairy.



In D&D 1e, this humansize "faerie" is identical with the grey elf. In later editions of D&D, this faerie is identical with the "sun elf" and the "eladrin" elf.

By extension, the 5e fey changeling can be a fey eladrin. Or at least, there is some kind of relationship.
 

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