Nudity in RPG books?

How do you feel about Nudity in your RPG books?

  • Nudity is evil! It shouldn't be in our RPG Books! FOR GODSAKES, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

    Votes: 62 10.5%
  • I don't mind Nudity so much as long as it is non-sexual.

    Votes: 168 28.6%
  • Nudity of any kind doesn't bother me.

    Votes: 310 52.7%
  • We should have more nudity in our RPGs and less violence.

    Votes: 48 8.2%

  • Poll closed .
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BryonD said:
Certainly at a young age this is correct.
But my 6 year old has a clear sense of what it means to inflict harm and why it is bad.
Being fascinated with pretend violence does not lead to a lack of understanding in the wrongness, as should be clear to most anyone on a D&D website, right? :)

Again, my 6 year old loves to pretend to attack me with her plastic sword or whatever. (or play D&D for that matter) But she understands the difference.

And I agree that the rate of understanding is different for every child and that some anti-social types seem to never catch on. So I would never claim that violence can be simply disregarded as an issue.

Good points. Thinking back to my own views on violence (which is really the only evidence I can expertly cite), I would say there are different stages of understanding. There's the kid-view of violence I had which is that it's bad because it hurts people. As I got older, say early teens, I started to understand that it's bad not just because it hurts one person, but other people as well (family, friends, etc). When I was a young adult, the full horror of what violence can breed finally sank in. I'm sure the ages for this vary depending on many factors (losing loved ones, etc).

When I was growing up, my parents kept me from seeing the really violent stuff, and I think that was very good parenting on their part. And I wasn't exposed to any ultra-violent games either, mostly because they didn't exist. For me there's a huge different in seeing games like Blood Rayne or just about any FPS that seem to glorify the carnage vs. the relatively tame stuff I grew up playing like Pac-Man. Maybe this violence doesn't lead todays kids to be more violent, but I'm sure it desensitizes them to how bad violence really is. D&D was probably one of the most violent games I ever played. It has desensitized me to certain forms of violence, and thus the concept of killing monsters or killing the bad guys seems acceptable. I'll let the psychologists among us judge whether or not that's a good thing.

BryonD said:
But I am still confident that this reason (even if it were wrong) is why many people consider exposure of children to sexually explicit material is a much more of a concern than exposure to graphic violence.

I too am of the opinion that children should not be exposed to sexually explicit material. I think near puberty is about the right time to start having some frank discussions about this topic. Given the accessibiity of porn on the internet, the topic may even need to be touched upon earlier. Personally, I'd be far less worried about my kids seeing a few naked bodies on the net compared to some of the information carried on hate sites.

In the case of nudity, I think we Americans have created a viscious circle. We try to hide anything with nudity from our kids, sending a message that it is wrong/bad/evil/whatever. We also do the same thing with sex, though in that case, it is something that is best kept away from them until they can properly understand it. However, since both topics are handled so similarly, nudity becomes forever intermixed with the subject of sex. I know that when I grew up, this was my line of thinking, and I suspect other kids then and now arrive at a similar viewpoint. The problem is that later in life, we tend to equate nudity with sex, which is bad for a number of reasons. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that a number of the sexual-devient behaviors especially ones like voyeurism are a direct result of this mental linking of nudity with sex.

I'm not sure of the solution, but dividing the topic nudity from the topic of sex seems like the logical starting point. Handling them differently as a parent is the key.
 

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Personally, the association of nudity with sexuality (except for the case of babies and small children) does not bother me because I don't think sex is dirty or immoral. I am disturbed by associating sex with violence and by using sex for non-sexual commercial ends. I am appalled by attempts by various sources to strip sex of its natural and human qualities. With that in mind, I'm a bit ambivalent about the choices for the poll.

Would I like to see more nudity in RPG art? Sure, but that's only because I'd like to see more nudity everywhere, especially more nude men of various shapes and sizes and colors. Do I think nudity would add anything to an RPG book? Maybe, depending upon the subject matter of the book in question. If there's a chapter in a campaign setting that details love and marriage in various cultures, I'd more often roll my eyes at the saccharine, desexualized images of human romance than I would at something a bit more honest. Would this hurt sales? Only in the way that softcore porn hurts sales. I'm willing to believe that a substantial percentage of roleplayers are already adults and play with other adults, so it might not affect profits that much. Then again, you never know.

Do I think there's too much nudity in art? No, not too much nudity, but too much of the same kind of nudity. Too many scantily clad females in situations where being scantily clad makes little to no sense. Too many naked or near-naked women who have the same body type, with the differences being only in hair color and texture, eye color, and whether or not she is tanned (maybe she has pointed ears if she's an elf or half-elf). It's worse than offensive. It's boring!

All in all, I don't mind nudity one way or the other, but I want more variety. Does it mean I want everyone to be unattractive? Certainly not. But can we please show more ways that the human body can be beautiful?
 

Zappo said:
...removing nudity shrinks the set of details you can use. Maybe not a big shrinkage, but a shrinkage nonetheless.

hehehe...do you guys get Seinfeld over there in Italy? ;)

Shrinkage and nudity are a dangerous combination.

Sorry, couldn't pass that up.
 

Sir Elton said:
So while Byron D. seeks to protect his children from nudity and raising them to be textiles; I plan to do the opposite. By creating an internal defense against Pornography by raising my children to be nudists will insure a healthier attitude towards sex, their bodies, and the human body in general.

So, do you plan on giving your kids matches and gasoline so that they have a healthy attitude toward fire?
 


I don't know if anyone else has already mentioned this risk, but the last time I was reading an RPG book sans clothing, my mother walked in and caught me. I was so startled, I quickly closed the book on myself.

Lesson learned: Nudity in RPG game books hurts someone, usually yourself. Don't do it.
 

By creating an internal defense against Pornography


Just the other day, some pornography beat me up and stole my wallet.

I'm telling you, this porn is just getting out of hand!
 

smetzger said:
So, do you plan on giving your kids matches and gasoline so that they have a healthy attitude toward fire?
Nope. Although, if I were you, I'd not say things like that until you have researched as to why I'm going to raise my kids as nudists. At least the physical reasons. :)
 


Zappo said:
Nope. Not that I know of, at least. Damn, now I'm missing a joke. :mad:

This should be "grandma-safe", but if it's not, mods, please delete.

Seinfeld said:
Jerry: It was my fault, I told her the wrong door.
George: I was supposed to see her. She wasn't supposed to see me.
Jerry: So what?
George: Well ordinarily I wouldn't mind. But...
Jerry: But...
George: Well I just got back from swimming in the pool. And the water was
cold...
Jerry: Oh... You mean... shrinkage.
George: Yes. Significant shrinkage!
Jerry: So you feel you were short changed.
George: Yes! I mean, if she thinks that's me she's under a complete misapprehension. That was not me, Jerry. That was not me.
Jerry: Well, so what's the difference?
George: What if she discusses it with Jane?
Jerry: Oh, she's not gonna tell Jane.
George: How do you know?
Jerry: Women aren't like us.
George: They're worse! They're much worse than us, they talk about
everything! Couldn't you at least tell her about the shrinkage factor?
Jerry: No, I'm not gonna tell her about your shrinkage. Besides, I think
women know about shrinkage.
George: How do women know about shrinkage? (They see Elaine walking down
the hall) Elaine! Get! (She enters) Do women know about shrinkage?
Elaine: What do you mean, like laundry?
George: No.
Jerry: Like when a man goes swimming... afterwards...
Elaine: It shrinks?
Jerry: Like a frightened turtle!
Elaine: Why does it shrink?
George: It just does.
Elaine: I don't know how you guys walk around with those things.
Does that clear things up?
 

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