Artoomis
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Re: Re: On Armor and Shields (aka what the heck are Shields, exactly?)
I'm not trying to convince you of anything with this post, but I'd like to set the record straight. None of the items below fit into the category you just described. Each of the statements talks about how armor and shields are different. None of them are present to prevent an argument on whether shields should have been counted as armor.
dcollins said:
The only thing I'll say about this thread is that, as you list all the places in the books where someone wrote "armor and shields", you're finding all the places where a writer was trying to be considerate by allowing redundancy for the purpose of clarity.
Every single one of your examples is just a place where the authors prevented another full-blown argument (by someone such as yourself) about whether shields should have not been counted because they didn't mention them by name.
Shields are a subset of armor; none of the statements you list contradict that. Rather, the statements are merely redundant (to help the non-rules-lawyer readers).
I'm not trying to convince you of anything with this post, but I'd like to set the record straight. None of the items below fit into the category you just described. Each of the statements talks about how armor and shields are different. None of them are present to prevent an argument on whether shields should have been counted as armor.
9. Pg. 104, Table 7-5 Armor has, but shields do not have a max dex bonus or a speed restriction.
10. Pg. 105: Rules for getting into and out of armor talk about the light/medium and heavy armors you wear and not shields.
12. Pg. 106 You can use shields (except buckler) as an off-hand weapon for as shield bash.
14. Pg. 119 - ARMOR CLASS = 10 + armor bonus + shield bonus + Dexterity modifier + size modifier.
15. Pg. 128 Table 8-4 includes two references to shields - "Ready a shield and Loose a shield.
16. Pg 136 - "Strike a Weapon" - You can strike a weapon or a shield.
17. Pg. 141 - (errata) "A medium or heavy load counts
as medium or heavy armor for the purpose of abilities that are restricted by armor." Plus a bit of other similar info on how being encumbered by equipment is like being encumbered by armor.
18. pg 281 (glossary) A Shield bonus is defined. [Yes, yes, we all know it's really an armor bonus proved by the shield, I'm only stating what’s in the PHB - and it's also on pg. 119 =see item 14 above].
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