Ongoing effects havo sooooo many issues... it would be nice to have an errata.
Ongoing effects havo sooooo many issues... it would be nice to have an errata.
Or at least come up with a solid ruling behind the,
Like the problem you have when a Missed Daily is more effective than a Saved Hit.
Except this is not an issue.
The rules are clear on this one.
Just because a save can end the effect, there is no guarantee the target actually has any chance to make a save out of its turn. Most monsters don't. So it would only be an issue against PCs, and then most monster powers also do not conditions on a miss. It is a corner case.Well, the issue is not that the rules are unclear, but that they don't seem reasonable. If you think of the rules in lawyer terms, they are clear and work. If you think of them in lawmaker terms, they don't produce the desired result when it is more desirable to score a miss (until the end of the next turn) than a success (save ends).
I could start spouting wild proposals, but that fits better in the house rules forum.
Mmmm, I think you missed the point (if I understood you correctly).Just because a save can end the effect, there is no guarantee the target actually has any chance to make a save out of its turn. Most monsters don't. So it would only be an issue against PCs, and then most monster powers also do not conditions on a miss. It is a corner case.
Exactly.As it stands, abilities that allow extra saves against a condition out of turn seemed to be valued lower than abilities that allow saves against a condition that doesn't normally allow a save at all.
Well, in this case, if (save ends) conditions are supposedely more valuable, then having them apply to "until X of Y turn" should be balanced. Shouldn't it?If this was treated equally, we'd see more powers that simply allow saves against a condition (regardless whether it allows one normally or not). And so the issue would not be particularly interesting.
Just because a save can end the effect, there is no guarantee the target actually has any chance to make a save out of its turn. Most monsters don't.