Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[FlyingChihuahua]

you are very mad about something you could just ignore.

 

[Hussar]

You should by a WotC version, then.

Page 32. "...others form the ranks of soldiers in great wars..."

Form THE ranks. Not some ranks. Not a few ranks. But THE ranks, which means all the ranks for the great war. Great war. Not skirmish. Not battle. Not normal war. Not small war. GREAT war.

OIC.

Reading failure then.

 

[Maxperson]

OIC.

Reading failure then.

Yep.

 

[SkidAce]

Serious question @Maxperson - have you ever seen a live civet cat? Dodo birds existed in the world for hundreds of thousands of years before anyone knew about them. Scientists in the real world are discovering new species every day, with all the information that we have in the real world.

A pretty large enclave of Dragonborn could be hanging out in the Hellfurnaces, or The Amedio Jungle, or The Wild Coast or The Bright Desert or any of a hundred other places without any problem whatsoever. Have you actually played Greyhawk so much that you have run campaigns in every region? With the same players? Such that those players would be knowledgeable enough about every single location of Greyhawk that it would be impossible to slot in a new race?

That is bloody impressive if true.

OTOH, it's far more likely that your players, while they might have played a campaign or two in Greyhawk, have only a passing familiarity with the setting, maybe with some strong familiarity with this or that region, and no knowledge whatsoever of different areas. This is the nice thing about Greyhawk. Particularly if we're rolling things back to 1983 boxed set Greyhawk. Most of the Darlene map is undefined and undeveloped. What's in the Pomarj? No one knows. What's in the Bright Desert? No one knows. This isn't Forgotten Realms. Greyhawk is so undefined that I find it absolutely baffling that anyone could seriously argue that slotting in a new race is a major change to the setting.

I have to agree with this post.

 

[Hussar]

@Maxperson, given your history of ... well... creative interpretations of what's written in D&D books, I absolutely will not engage with you further on this point. While you have your interpretation, it might be useful to keep in mind that your interpretation is not the only possible one and that others might not be working from your understanding of the English language. Feel free to have the last word.

 

[Azzy]

Yes. You can home brew your game to be different or use a setting like Eberron that has home brewed it for you. Sure.

Or use a setting like Greyhawk, which was designed for DMs to customize, and create fluff for the race that fits the setting. Seems like a no-brainer.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

as written in the PHB, dragonborn are very populous. They have the numbers to populate an entire army in a great war, and those number would be a small fraction of their population.

And which campagn setting does the PHB refer to?

Oh, yes, NONE.

Maybe somewhere in the multiverse there where vast armies of dragonborn, but that says nothing about how many dragonborn exist in any particular location.

 

[Maxperson]

And which campagn setting does the PHB refer to?

Oh, yes, NONE.

This is incorrect. It has been said many times by WotC that the default setting is the Forgotten Realms. It also says that other settings can be different when it comes to races. This is why you are free to home brew that Dragonborn are much less populous than in the Realms or Dragonlance. For that matter, you can homebrew those two settings to have them be much less populous or gone if you want. Nothing stops you from changing things.

Maybe somewhere in the multiverse there where vast armies of dragonborn, but that says nothing about how many dragonborn exist in any particular location.

True, which is again why you can home brew them to be on the verge of extinction if you want.

 

[hawkeyefan]

Who cares what it says about dragonborn in the book? My 5e campaign kicked off with Lost Mines of Phandelver and we had a dragonborn PC, and the question about how many other dragonborn are out there or where has never once come up.

Just change it into what you prefer it to be. Problem solved.

 

[Maxperson]

Who cares what it says about dragonborn in the book? My 5e campaign kicked off with Lost Mines of Phandelver and we had a dragonborn PC, and the question about how many other dragonborn are out there or where has never once come up.

I certainly don't care what it says, but debate is enjoyable.

Just change it into what you prefer it to be. Problem solved.

Dragonborn don't exist in any world I run. Not in the Realms where the book fluff is set, and not in my current Ravenloft campaign. I suppose if I ever run Dragonlance(unlikely) I will have them, but they will be called draconians and won't be available to the players.

I'm a big believe in changing things to what you prefer.