Only the Lonely: Why We Demand Official Product

[Azzy]

This is incorrect. It has been said many times by WotC that the default setting is the Forgotten Realms.

This is not true. The only default is "the D&D multiverse".

 

[generic]

This is not true. The only default is "the D&D multiverse".

Uh... no. WotC has said that FR is the default setting.

 

[Acolyte of Zothique]

I certainly don't care what it says, but debate is enjoyable.


Dragonborn don't exist in any world I run. Not in the Realms where the book fluff is set, and not in my current Ravenloft campaign. I suppose if I ever run Dragonlance(unlikely) I will have them, but they will be called draconians and won't be available to the players.

I'm a big believe in changing things to what you prefer.

The kind of debate I read in this thread is not enjoyable. It is pedantic to the extreme; aggravating and borderline adversarial. It is not debate or argument; just people talking past each other and nit picking.

The topic of the thread is why do we demand official product - that's an interesting topic. Endlessly quibbling about Dragonborn is really not.

If you like Dragonborn include them and use your imagination to fit them in. If you don't like them don't use them. There. Done.

 

[PsyzhranV2]

Uh... no. WotC has said that FR is the default setting.

I remember them distinctly not saying that despite most of the APs being FR, where did they say FR was the default?

 

[generic]

I remember them distinctly not saying that despite most of the APs being FR, where did they say FR was the default?

Cough

They didn't have to, as the Human ethnicities section of the PHB explicitly mentions FR ethnicities by name as the default Human ethnicities.

 

[Fenris-77]

On the other hand the PHB elven ethnicities mentions FR, GH and DL, as do several of the other demihuman entries. So there's that.

 

[Azzy]

Cough

They didn't have to, as the Human ethnicities section of the PHB explicitly mentions FR ethnicities by name as the default Human ethnicities.

The PHB also talks about races and gods of multiple settings. Also, WotC has denied there being a "default" setting outside the multiverse.

 

[Hussar]

FR is the default setting? That's news to me. Certainly not written in any of the books the way that Greyhawk was in the 3e core books.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

The kind of debate I read in this thread is not enjoyable. It is pedantic to the extreme; aggravating and borderline adversarial. It is not debate or argument; just people talking past each other and nit picking.

The topic of the thread is why do we demand official product - that's an interesting topic. Endlessly quibbling about Dragonborn is really not.

If you like Dragonborn nclude them and use your imagination to fit them in. If you don't like them don't use them. There. Done.

It got derailed because people start conflating two different things.

1) Should Dragonborn (or other "new" PHB races) be presented as racial options in published settings that may not have had them in previous iterations?
2) Would you, as a DM, allow these in your campaign?

1) to me seems self-evident "Yes" - no way is Wizards going to, by default, come down heavy-handed and say people cannot have something from the core books in a setting they publish for 5th edition. Even if it needs a Ravinica style "they are probably visitors from another world" dodge.
2) is up to individual DMs.

From there we went on weird tangents of "dragonborn, drow and tieflings should be killed on sight" which was weird and doesn't sound like anything fun for me, but to each his own. Far more interesting was the posts by people who came up with creative and good ways to integrates things like Dragonborn into Oerth et al.

 

[QuentinGeorge]

The PHB also talks about races and gods of multiple settings. Also, WotC has denied there being a "default" setting outside the multiverse.

Correct, see Jeremy Crawford's tweet here.